Question on baptism and being saved

[edward_george1]

I didn’t call you a liar or question your status as a priest. Please quote me directly showing where I did.

 

[edward_george1]

Excommunication is an ecclesiastical penalty that is applied to a person or persons for various public sins.

Not necessarily. Automatic excommunications may apply in cases of occult sins (i.e. sins which are not public, not anything to do with witchcraft or any such thing).

The confession that lifts the excommunication, however, may be required to be made to a bishop, or even to the pope.

In practice, this is usually delegated by the appropriate authority to a priest, especially as it would be inappropriate for a Bishop to hear the confession of a priest under his charge. At the Diocesan level, the Canon Penitentiary, if there is one, is usually empowered to lift sanctions in the name of the Bishop; at the universal level, the Apostolic Penitentiary serves this function in the name of the Pope. And there is a situation where the confession made for the lifting of an excommunication is made to a simple priest prior to him being delegated. If there is an undeclared automatic penalty, the penitent who incurred it may confess as normal, and the priest may then go and contact the Apostolic Penitentiary for a faculty to lift the penalty, having granted conditional absolution in the meantime. Once the Penitentiary has responded, the penitent is to return and receive absolution and the lifting of the penalty, as well as such penance as the Penitentiary should appoint.

 

[Godfollower]

Once your saved your always saved right? Even if you committed a mortal sin and die or have lived a major sinful life and turn against God. You know after your baptized or something?

Here’s what Scripture has to say about it:

For if the firstfruit be holy, so is the lump also: and if the root be holy, so are the branches. And if some of the branches be broken, and thou, being a wild olive, art ingrafted in them, and art made partaker of the root, and of the fatness of the olive tree, Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee. Thou wilt say then: The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in. Well: because of unbelief they were broken off. But thou standest by faith: be not highminded, but fear.

For if God hath not spared the natural branches, fear lest perhaps he also spare not thee. See then the goodness and the severity of God: towards them indeed that are fallen, the severity; but towards thee, the goodness of God, if thou abide in goodness, otherwise thou also shalt be cut off. And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again. For if thou wert cut out of the wild olive tree, which is natural to thee; and, contrary to nature, were grafted into the good olive tree; how much more shall they that are the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree? For I would not have you ignorant, brethren, of this mystery, (lest you should be wise in your own conceits), that blindness in part has happened in Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles should come in.

Romans 11:16-25.

They who believe in “once saved, always saved” are preaching in contradiction to Scripture.

 

[Gabika50]

If I could save myself, the Holy Spirit would have no more work in me. Baptism is not an eternal carwash which stops you from error or sin nor is it a guarentee of salvation. It is an initiation which makes you part of the church. Then the greater question all churches have to anwer is “how will you deal with me when I fall” Do I make a private or quite public confession, and how does this help me make things right (if at all possible?)