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OK, this is probably a silly question but here goes.

We are required to fast for a least 1 hour before recieving communion so that there is no food in the stomach when the Lord enters.

SO

Why don’t we have to fast after recieving?

We could run right out and dump a stack of pancakes right on top of Jesus:eek:

No disrespect - Just asking.

James
 
We are required to fast for a least 1 hour before recieving communion so that there is no food in the stomach when the Lord enters.

James
Your reasoning about our fasting in the first place is not correct.

We aren’t required to fast so that the host does not touch food. There is nothing intrinsically wrong with that part.

We are required to fast one hour before receiving so that we are preparing ourselves mentally/emotionally/spriitually for the gift of the Eucharist.

It’s not supposed to have the "physical " effect that an all day fast does. It isn’t penance. THe purpose is different.

Although, one might want to consider after receiving that some time can be spent in prayer.
 
I always fast from midnight on Saturday. I know that we are only required to fast for 1 hour but I always do this.
 
I always fast from midnight on Saturday. I know that we are only required to fast for 1 hour but I always do this.
What does this have to do with the question, and why did you feel the need to post this on a public forum?

I can understand if it had some relevance, or you shared your experience about it or something, but that was unneccesary.

*Matthew 6:1-6,16-21
Jesus said, "Beware of practicing your piety before others in order to be seen by them; for then you have no reward from your Father in heaven.

"So whenever you give alms, do not sound a trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, so that they may be praised by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward. But when you give alms, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your alms may be done in secret; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you.

"And whenever you pray, do not be like the hypocrites; for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, so that they may be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward. But whenever you pray, go into your room and shut the door and pray to your Father who is in secret; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you.*
 
agapewolf,

Let’s not forget - Judge not lest ye be judged.
You responded that his post was off topic, what about your post.
It strikes me as trying to pick a fight.
I started this thread and I found nothing wrong with Dempsey1919’s post.

Peace
James
 
agapewolf,

Let’s not forget - Judge not lest ye be judged.
You responded that his post was off topic, what about your post.
It strikes me as trying to pick a fight.
I started this thread and I found nothing wrong with Dempsey1919’s post.

Peace
James
I’m not judging anyone. I didn’t say he’s going to hell for what he said…which is what judgement is. It was simple fact. His statement was irrelevant, and really blatantly a boast. I’m just one Christian “admonishing” (gentle warning) another. I’d want the same done to me.

I found something wrong…I didn’t have to start the thread to think so.

There was no need to tell us all his practice…it had nothing to do with anything.
 
OK, this is probably a silly question but here goes.

We are required to fast for a least 1 hour before recieving communion so that there is no food in the stomach when the Lord enters.

SO

Why don’t we have to fast after recieving?

We could run right out and dump a stack of pancakes right on top of Jesus:eek:

No disrespect - Just asking.

James
Nu-uh. All you need to do is wait about 15 minutes or so after Mass (most people do anyway).

It takes the Eucharist about that long to get broken down in the stomach to the point where it’s no longer physically identifiable as bread and wine. No accidents of bread and wine = no Jesus.

That’s why microscopic (invisible to the naked eye) particles of host aren’t Jesus either - we’d be inhaling him with every breath inside a Church :eek: and trampling Him by stepping on any bit of the floor if it weren’t the case (those microscopic particles surely do travel an extremely long way! :eek: :eek:
 
Nu-uh. All you need to do is wait about 15 minutes or so after Mass (most people do anyway).

It takes the Eucharist about that long to get broken down in the stomach to the point where it’s no longer physically identifiable as bread and wine. No accidents of bread and wine = no Jesus.

That’s why microscopic (invisible to the naked eye) particles of host aren’t Jesus either - we’d be inhaling him with every breath inside a Church :eek: and trampling Him by stepping on any bit of the floor if it weren’t the case (those microscopic particles surely do travel an extremely long way! :eek: :eek:
72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:F1FSt9WhnEoJ:www.therealpresence.org/eucharst/manual/section6/sec6_69.pdf+eucharistic+particles&hl=en&ct=c

“We better know - we better understand - that the Church defined that **the whole Christ is present even under a microscopic particle **of the consecrated Host. Once we believe that Jesus Christ is truly present in the Holy Eucharist, it is only logical then to respect and adore our Lord, no matter how small the particle or drop from the chalice may be.”
 
72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:F1FSt9WhnEoJ:www.therealpresence.org/eucharst/manual/section6/sec6_69.pdf+eucharistic+particles&hl=en&ct=c

“We better know - we better understand - that the Church defined that **the whole Christ is present even under a microscopic particle **of the consecrated Host. Once we believe that Jesus Christ is truly present in the Holy Eucharist, it is only logical then to respect and adore our Lord, no matter how small the particle or drop from the chalice may be.”
With all respect to you and Fr Hardon - by ‘microscopic’ he means small, yes, but he cannot literally be meaning invisible to the naked eye. Otherwise, like I said, you literally would be unable to walk on any square centimetre of a church’s floor without committing the sin of sacrilege by trampling on Him, or breathe in any air inside a church without inhaling Him. That is how many INvisible particles there would be, and they would be spread all over.

And to bring your logic to its ultimate, and even more illogical, conclusion, He would also pass right through our digestive tract each time we receive - AND out the other end as well. :eek:
 
I’m not judging anyone. I didn’t say he’s going to hell for what he said…which is what judgement is. It was simple fact. His statement was irrelevant, and really blatantly a boast. I’m just one Christian “admonishing” (gentle warning) another. I’d want the same done to me.

I found something wrong…I didn’t have to start the thread to think so.

There was no need to tell us all his practice…it had nothing to do with anything.
I understand where you are coming from in the previous post, and I agree to a certain extent. But what is really the big deal? Do you know him? This is mostly an anonymous board anyway.

Often people hate to see in others what they don’t like about themselves. If this is what you were feeling, I admit I can be like this myself.
 
Nu-uh. All you need to do is wait about 15 minutes or so after Mass (most people do anyway).

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There is no rule or law about waiting afterward. ALthough very likely because of the rest of communion time, final blessing, and driving somewhere, this is not a rule that one must wait to eat.
 
With all due respect to Fr. Hardon, I remember hearing a different answer on CA. Since my googling skills must be lacking today, I went over to Jimmy Akin’s Blog, and found this:
…what happens when the accidents no longer appear to be bread and wine. When that happens, standard Catholic theology holds, the Real Presence ceases because what Christ willed to be present under (the appearances of bread and wine) is no longer present.

Thus St. Thomas Aquinas notes:
f the change [in the consecrated elements] be so great that the substance of the bread or wine would have been corrupted, then Christ’s body and blood do not remain under this sacrament; and this either on the part of the qualities, as when the color, savor, and other qualities of the bread and wine are so altered as to be incompatible with the nature of bread or of wine; or else on the part of the quantity, as, for instance, if the bread be reduced to fine particles, or the wine divided into such tiny drops that the species of bread or wine no longer remain ST III:77:4].
As far as the molecules,
Or the crumbs on the paten, for instance. I wouldn’t call a crumb of crust “bread,” but I still view that as having as much of the real presence as a larger host. Is that correct?

It depends on the size of the crumb. If it’s a particularly large crumb–something you would look at and think “That’s a piece of bread” then the Real Presence would remain. If it’s a particularly tiny crumb, something you would look at and think “That’s a speck of wheat dust” then the Real Presence does not remain. If it’s an ambiguously sized crumb then it is doubtful whether or not Christ is really present.
For safety’s sake, the Church tends to err ont the side of caution both before and after the consecration of the elements. Before the consecration if it is doubtful that the matter is valid then it cannot be used. After the consecration if it is doubtful whether the Real Presence remains then we are to assume that it does.
In obvious cases, though, (e.g., this is clearly cornbread or this clearly looks like a speck of wheat dust) then the Real Presence is not presumed and we are NOT TO SCRUPLE ABOUT THIS.

And a follow-up in one of his comments (emphasis mine):
At a certain point it ceases to be an object that has the necessary quantity to count as bread the way God set up the sacrament, and Catholic theology has traditionally regarded very small particles as falling below that threshold.

It is not necessary for the particles to be microscopic for this to happen. A particle the size of what I have termed “wheat dust” would no longer be considered bread, even if it has a chemical strucure identical to bread.
I once read (Fr Hardon? Fr Stravinskas? I can’t find it!) that if one put a drop of the Precious Blood into a glass of wine, the consecrated Blood would still be the Precious Blood but would not consecrate the wine into which it was poured, remaining distinct in its nature. And still, one would have to dispose of the wine properly as if it were all Precious Blood, because a drop, though highly diffused, was still in there, and physically inseperable. However, Jimmy Akin counters:
But if he poured in a large amount of red wine then at some point a reasonable man would say, “That’s not the same wine any more” and at that point the accidents masking the Real Presence would have changed so much that the Real Presence would have ceased.
and
Now, at what precise
point the Real Presence would cease is not something that can be determined, any more than the precise point that so much water is added that it ceases can be determined. We can say, in general terms, that this happens when so much water has been added that it would no longer appears to be wine, but we can’t specify a percentage of change where this happens. It’s a fuzzy boundary, like the boundary between red and orange on a color spectrum.

Aquinas’ Summa seems to agree with Jimmy Akin.
 
I’m not judging anyone. I didn’t say he’s going to hell for what he said…which is what judgement is. It was simple fact. His statement was irrelevant, and really blatantly a boast. I’m just one Christian “admonishing” (gentle warning) another. I’d want the same done to me.

I found something wrong…I didn’t have to start the thread to think so.

There was no need to tell us all his practice…it had nothing to do with anything.
If you feel it is so necessary to “admonish” in the future you may consider doing it in private through the PM system to avoid any public embarassment for the Christian you are gently warning, or for yourself.

~Liza
 
If you feel it is so necessary to “admonish” in the future you may consider doing it in private through the PM system to avoid any public embarassment for the Christian you are gently warning, or for yourself.

~Liza
Well, that actually occurred to me last night… I didn’t think about it PMing, and I should have done that you are correct, and for that mistake I am sorry.

but I suppose you could take the same advice.
 
I always fast from midnight on Saturday. I know that we are only required to fast for 1 hour but I always do this.
Amen! 👍 This is the Original Roman Catholic, Eastern Catholic and Coptic Catholic, etc. & Orthodox Fasting Requirement.

Coptic Catholics and Coptic Orthodox still practice this today - even that they are required to not brush their teeth as this gets rid of “dry mouth” which they consider as “thirsting for the Lord” - they want, when they receive the Eucharist to have their thirst quenched by Him and their hunger to be satified by Him.

Eastern Orthodox Churches still practice the full Fast from all food/water from midnight until after receiving the Holy Eucharist although I’ve only heard that the monastics still keep the - no brushing of the teeth rule.

What I wonder, is why has the Roman Catholic Church reduced this to just one hour? I know that it is their current practice. Was this changed in Vatican II? Or at some later or earlier point? Why was it changed? What is the spiritual benefit of not keeping the traditional fast?

Just Curious
 
What I wonder, is why has the Roman Catholic Church reduced this to just one hour? I know that it is their current practice. Was this changed in Vatican II? Or at some later or earlier point? Why was it changed? What is the spiritual benefit of not keeping the traditional fast?Just Curious
Here’s a timeline of the changes, though I’d have to read more to understand the “why’s:”

Everyone seems quick to say Vatican II changed a lot, but the reduction in fasting time initially came in 1957 in Pope Pius XII *Motu Proprio, *Sacram Communionem (On Laws of Fasting and the Evening Mass) dtd March 19, 1957. This changed the fast to three hours.

Father Saunders doesn’t discuss the reduction to the three-hour fast in his article, Why Fast Before Communion? but he notes that Pope Paul VI, on Nov. 21, 1964, reduced the fast to a period of one hour.

Wiki gives a different date of 1966 when “Pope Paul VI in his apostolic constitution Paenitemini, changed the strictly regulated Roman Catholic fasting requirements. He recommended that fasting be appropriate to the local economic situation, and that all Catholics voluntarily fast and abstain.”
 
Your reasoning about our fasting in the first place is not correct.

We aren’t required to fast so that the host does not touch food. There is nothing intrinsically wrong with that part.

We are required to fast one hour before receiving so that we are preparing ourselves mentally/emotionally/spriitually for the gift of the Eucharist.

It’s not supposed to have the "physical " effect that an all day fast does. It isn’t penance. THe purpose is different.

Although, one might want to consider after receiving that some time can be spent in prayer.
Hmmmm -

Well I guess you learn something as a kid and never think about it after that.
I remember being told as a child that it was so you stomach would be empty when the Eucharist entered.
When they changed from 3 hours to 1 hour it was because they found out that food wouldn’t be in the stomach for more than an hour.

Thanks for all the good info.

James
 
Amen! 👍 This is the Original Roman Catholic, Eastern Catholic and Coptic Catholic, etc. & Orthodox Fasting Requirement.

Coptic Catholics and Coptic Orthodox still practice this today - even that they are required to not brush their teeth as this gets rid of “dry mouth” which they consider as “thirsting for the Lord” - they want, when they receive the Eucharist to have their thirst quenched by Him and their hunger to be satified by Him.

Eastern Orthodox Churches still practice the full Fast from all food/water from midnight until after receiving the Holy Eucharist although I’ve only heard that the monastics still keep the - no brushing of the teeth rule.

What I wonder, is why has the Roman Catholic Church reduced this to just one hour? I know that it is their current practice. Was this changed in Vatican II? Or at some later or earlier point? Why was it changed? What is the spiritual benefit of not keeping the traditional fast?

Just Curious
One spiritual benefit - it enables the faithful to commune more frequently. :newidea: :extrahappy: :getholy:

During the time of the midnight fast (and even the three-hour fast) Masses weren’t held in the afternoon or evening but only in the morning.

Being that there was a demand for afternoon and evening Masses, which then were made available … a midnight fast at least would be absolutely impractical and would deny many people who were otherwise perfectly well-disposed to receive Our Lord the chance to do so. It would be an unfairly heavy burden imposed upon those who choose to attend an evening Mass.

And really - why is physical hunger to be a requirement? I’m sure the Apostles didn’t fast from midnight before the Last Supper - nor even for three hours - and yet Our Lord was more than happy to give His body and blood to them, so why should we?

The point is to cultivate SPIRITUAL hunger for Communion with Our Lord, which is just as possible with a one-hour fast as a midnight fast.
 
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