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elwill
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morning_star777
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Dear planten
,You should not use hadith as references,even if anyone ask it from you…because you are the only muslim I have ever met who openly deny Sahih hadiths (even Bukhari!)if the hadiths are against your thoughts and philosophy!
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Byzantine_Wolf
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One of many reasons why no one takes him seriously.Dear planten
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Peter29
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One of my muslim friends held the crucifix I was wearing in his hand and looked at it for a few seconds. I thought nothing of this of course, but then another of my muslim friends, twice in the last week, has taken the crucifix I wear, gazed at it and even ‘stroked’ Jesus. I made light of it asking if he was cursing my crucifix (in a joking manner) and his nonchallant ‘yes’ response wasn’t very encouraging. He could have been joking.
Anyway, what is this about?
Anyway, what is this about?
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planten
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**morning_star, I never said I do not believe in hadith. If I do not believe in hadith then I will not believe in bibleNT too because the bible is far below the standard of our hadith. Bible is a biography of Jesus and much smaller and not reliable. The Hadith is much more reliable.Dear planten
However, as the bible is man made (not word of God) so the Hadith is also man made (not exact word of God). So I do not indulge too much in man made books.
Please note that Hadith has rules. Not all hadith are to be accepted without checking. But you have no rules or law about bible. Too bad.**
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planten
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**Cross is a symbol of the church. It should be respected. It is upto the christians to decide whether it is good to carry a cross or not. Personally, I do not like the Cross because it was an instrument of the enemies of Jesus whereby they tried to punish Jesus.
The Jews adamantly pressed hard for Jesus to be Crucified. Even though the punishment for blasphemy in the Jewish law was stoning to death.
Why the Jews cried harsh that Jesus should be Crucified (Killed on the Cross).? It was to prove that he was not a man of God, not a pious person.
Muslims love Jesus. They do not love the Cross.
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Peter29
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It’s a crucifix, a cross with Jesus nailed to it. Perhaps this is more offensive to muslims.
What do you think my friend was doing? I’ll be sure to protect my crucifix in future from any muslim who may be cursing Jesus’ sacrifice.
Also I don’t think your view of the bible is Islamic.
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wwolverine
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Dear Planten, by comparing the two and belittling the Holy Bible, you have shown how poor you are in knowledge. You say Hadiths are far better than the NT, but still you say that not all hadiths are acceptable, where as we Christians do take the complete Holy Bible as God Inspired.
For that matter even the Quran is written by man, and it was done so 200 years after Mohammeds death.
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Hadi
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it’s an individual issue…but here is what I think.
Muslims are usually quick to be offended by insults to their prophets…whether that prophet is Moses ,Jesus or Mohammed…so your friend was probably offended by an object that shows humiliation and disgrace to a dear and beloved prophet.
again…this is an individual issue and each own has his\her own understanding
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jakasaki
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I cannot speak for your “muslim friend” touching the Crucifix, but I doubt it if he/she was cursing Our Lord Jesus Sacrifice.
Based on your OP, they way I think is that your friend was and I repeat was perhaps “cursing” you for believing in such and to them the Crucifix is an idol.
The muslims do not believe in the Cross or Christs Crucifixion at all ~
Just my 2 cents ~
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sedonaman
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Some Muslims won’t even shake hands with a Christian [unclean], so doesn’t your friend risk being unclean by touching a Christian religious article?
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Peter29
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In fairness we have no problem shaking hands with each other.
Of course.
OK
Thanks for your answers.
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Byzantine_Wolf
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Yes, and as I’ve said over and over again, most of the Muslims on the forum who pull the “can’t trust hadith” strawman simply refuse to show us the evidence that they did the checking. They don’t show us in a scholarly fashion why specific hadiths cited can’t be trusted. All we get are blanket statements backed up by absolutely nothing.
If you’re aware of scholarly evidence for why a hadith is or is not reliable, then present it to us. Otherwise, do not even bother to touch on the subject of the hadith.
You have just totally ignored all scriptural and textual study that has gone into the Bible and all the books therein since they were written.
As I’ve asked you many times over, if you are going to debate or speak with Christians, at least do your homework. If you don’t understand the subject, do not speak on it.
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planten
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** No Muslim should do anything bad with your cross. That would be bad, real bad. Specially if you have Jesus there on the cross, as an idol, Muslims should not misbehave with any idol of worship.
I am hundred percent sure that there will not be any Muslim who would curse Jesus.
You do not think my views about bible are Islamic. Well be it so. I do not blame you. I had told you the truth in all honesty.**
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Peter29
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I don’t want to return to this but a crucifix worn around the neck is not an idol.
Tell us about the black stone.
I’m quite sure muslims say the Bible came from God and say it was later corrupted.
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jakasaki
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Good luck getting an answer Peter…
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ZAKI
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omg! we have explained this so many times that it’s not funny…Good luck getting an answer Peter…
(about the black stone)
wasalam
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Byzantine_Wolf
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Sir, you who have played ignorant to the existence of people’s arguments in post, who uses logical fallacies out the wazu, have tried to claim he couldn’t respond because posts were too long, and who have blatantly lied regarding your knowledge of other people and your use of similar arguments and tactics against them…you, sir, have little to say that will justify anyone believing your “truth.”
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planten
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**I do not expect any one to accept my arguments because most of you are biased and prejudiced. There were people who did not believe in Jesus too. there are all kinds of people.
I had rightly complained that some catholics posters being very clever, tried to intentionally send extra-ordinarily long posts. When I tried to reply, the reply became too long and it was rejected by the system. I had the right to complain to the clever Catholic poster about it. And you have no right to avoid / underestimate my complaint.**
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planten
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**Moreover, black stone is not a man hanging on the cross. Nor is it any animal. Nor is it hanging in every muslims neck. Nor is it reverred as a God. There could be no comparison.
The catholics crucifix may be an idol or a statue or an ornament of advertisement. What use will be that for any one except that it could be sinful to carry an object of worship.
inthe crucifix, there is Jesus (the son) on the Cross. Where is the Father? He is not on the Cross. Why is that? Do we understand that Father is also on the Cross? I hope not. I hope none of the catholics believe that.
But still the catholics preach the verse “I and father are One.” How come?
I had admitted that it is nobody’s business molesting the god of the christians (crucifix). That would be disrespect to their god. Muslims should never do that.But every Muslim has the right to see what the Catholics are wearing in their neck?. And why they are wearing
I have said time and again that i do not go near the cross. It belonged to the enemies of Jesus. They pressed Jesus to carry it. It was imposed upon Jesus who wanted to avoid it. That is the reason we Muslims avoid the Cross. We love Jesus whereever he is. We love Jesus as much as any other Israeli prophet, even more, because he was the last Israeli prophet. ( I am afraid the Jews will not like what i have written.). **
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