Question on Matthew 5:29

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The NAB has had its pitfalls documented. This could be one of them.
 
Its confusing but I have always read it this way…

1 Cor 15:5 “And that he was seen by Cephas; and after that by the eleven.”

So this was post resurrection that he appeared to Peter and then to “the eleven”. Peter is distinct from the appellation and “the Eleven” must have already included Matthias from Acts because Judas was already dead.

(DNT) Acts 1:26 “And they gave them lots, and the lot fell upon Matthias, and he was numbered with the eleven apostles.”

(DNT) Acts 2:14 “But Peter standing up with the eleven…”
 
Gorgias said:
So now you’re suggesting that you know more than those who put together Scripture?
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The NAB is a faulty translation. Are you saying the other people who made Catholic Bibles know less than than the minds that came up with the NAB?
 
irenaeuslyons said:
Its confusing but I have always read it this way…

1 Cor 15:5 “And that he was seen by Cephas; and after that by the eleven .”

So this was post resurrection that he appeared to Peter and then to “the eleven”. Peter is distinct from the appellation and “the Eleven” must have already included Matthias from Acts because Judas was already dead.
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…which would be a nice argument, except… that’s not what the text reads. 1 Cor 15:5 reads “by the Twelve.” (Yes, I understand that the Latin reads “eleven”, and the D-R follows the Latin, but all the Greek texts read “twelve.”)

In any case, your argument kinda fails, since even if you’re going to claim that Matthias is included in the “Eleven”, he wasn’t included until after Jesus’ ascension. So, how can you claim that “the Eleven” includes Matthias before it actually includes Matthias? 🤔
irenaeuslyons said:
(DNT) Acts 2:14 “But Peter standing up with the eleven …”
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OK… so, I quote the way the NAB renders it, and you quote back the D-R? Umm… that still doesn’t help refute the argument that this is how the NAB sees it. 😉
C.Longinus said:
The NAB is a faulty translation.
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There we go. Finally, we see in your own words that you believe your opinions are more authoritative than the Church’s. Good to know where you stand. 😦
 
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Gorgias said:
…which would be a nice argument, except… that’s not what the text reads. 1 Cor 15:5 reads “by the Twelve.” (Yes, I understand that the Latin reads “eleven”, and the D-R follows the Latin, but all the Greek texts read “twelve.”)
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Interesting, I didn’t realize the NAB had Twelve. So it said He appeared to Peter and then to the Twelve afterward. If Judas was dead, who was the twelfth?
 
Gorgias said:
In any case, your argument kinda fails, since even if you’re going to claim that Matthias is included in the “Eleven”, he wasn’t included until after Jesus’ ascension. So, how can you claim that “the Eleven” includes Matthias before it actually includes Matthias? 🤔
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Yeah that’s a good point, but then how to explain “the twelve” (from prev post) when Judas is already dead?
Gorgias said:
OK… so, I quote the way the NAB renders it, and you quote back the D-R? Umm… that still doesn’t help refute the argument that this is how the NAB sees it. 😉
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Not so, I didn’t see your NAB postings, I added that to show that Peter was mentioned separately from the rest of the eleven. If you noticed, I started by saying how I read it, not how you or anyone else were wrong.
 
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irenaeuslyons said:
Interesting, I didn’t realize the NAB had Twelve.
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So do all the Greek manuscripts.
irenaeuslyons said:
So it said He appeared to Peter and then to the Twelve afterward. If Judas was dead, who was the twelfth?
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This goes to my point regarding Acts 2: “The Twelve”, as well as “The Eleven” are meant to mean “The Apostles,” rather than strictly meaning “this number of guys.”
irenaeuslyons said:
Not so, I didn’t see your NAB postings
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OK. 👍
 
Gorgias said:
This goes to my point regarding Acts 2: “The Twelve”, as well as “The Eleven” are meant to mean “The Apostles,” rather than strictly meaning “this number of guys.”
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Interestingly Chrysostom says that Christ appeared to Matthias after the Ascension. Although, its not recorded by anyone else.
 
Gorgias said:
This goes to my point regarding Acts 2: “The Twelve”, as well as “The Eleven” are meant to mean “The Apostles,” rather than strictly meaning “this number of guys.”
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Is it just you who’s saying this?
 
C.Longinus said:
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Gorgias:
This goes to my point regarding Acts 2: “The Twelve”, as well as “The Eleven” are meant to mean “The Apostles,” rather than strictly meaning “this number of guys.”
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Is it just you who’s saying this?
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St. Augustine says something similar, that though Judas was dead, ‘the twelve” were so called as by a corporate name. (Quaest. Evangel. lib. i. qu. 117)
 
Wm777 said:
If your right eye causes you to sin, tear it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one of your members than to have your whole body thrown into Gehenna. And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one of your members than to have your whole body go into Gehenna.

I dont know that anyone has actually physically altered their body to avoid what seems to be a pretty common situation…
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Just b/c you don’t know … doesn’t equate to that never occurring.

POINT?

Salvation / Inheriting Eternal Life - is more important than one’s eyeball et al
 
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