Question on Orthodox Saints included in Byzantine Calendars

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I know that certain saints whose glorification was recognized in the Orthodox Church, but were not canonized in the Catholic Church, have been allowed to be included in the calendars of some Eastern Churches that follow the Byzantine rite. I am thinking specifically Gregory Palamas and Photius; I’m not certain about the status of Symeon the New Theologian. I have heard it said that it was Pope John Paul II who gave the permission. Does anyone know where I could find the official decree from Rome, or at least a discussion about it?

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Fr. Boyd
 
When Russian Catholics asked Pope Pius IX about such matters, he replied, “Nec plus, nec minus, nec altera. Add nothing, omit nothing, change nothing.”

There are and always have been several post-schism saints on the calendars of the Ruthenian and Ukrainian Churches–and I will assume, the Romanian Catholic Church as well.

I know that St. Sergius of Radonezh is in the latest Roman Martyrology.
 
When Russian Catholics asked Pope Pius IX about such matters, he replied, “Nec plus, nec minus, nec altera. Add nothing, omit nothing, change nothing.”

There are and always have been several post-schism saints on the calendars of the Ruthenian and Ukrainian Churches–and I will assume, the Romanian Catholic Church as well.

I know that St. Sergius of Radonezh is in the latest Roman Martyrology.
Thanks; that’s very helpful!
 
Dear Father: For Ukrainian Greek Catholics, the inclusion of the Service to St. Gregory for Vespers and Matins for the Second Sunday of the Great Fast was presented in the* Anthologion *published in Rome and can be found in Volume II.

In the cover of this book it states the approbation of the Holy See. Patriarch Josyp (Slipij) of blessed memory was instrumental in this restoration of the liturgical texts for the Second Sunday of Lent.

The service books of Melkite Synod, approved by Rome in 1971, has an optional commemoration of St. Gregory on the Second Sunday of the Great Fast. Bishop +Nicholas (Samra) has unequivocally stated St. Gregory is to be considered a saint for the Melkite Greek Catholic Church.

St. Symeon the New Theologian’s Communion prayers are included in our prayer book The Divine Liturgy: An Anthology for Worship (different book-not the same as the various *Anthologia * printed in Rome) printed with the blessing of His Beatitude +Lubomyr. I’d honestly have to look at the calendar and see if or when St. Symeon is included, but certainly we use his prayer compositions. I know better of the status of St. Gregory since his commemoration always falls on the Second Sunday of Great Lent, and am more familiar with those liturgical texts, having used them for many years.
 
I know better of the status of St. Gregory since his commemoration always falls on the Second Sunday of Great Lent, and am more familiar with those liturgical texts, having used them for many years.

Oddly enough, while the Old Rite Cathedral in Eire venerates St. Gregory Palams, he is NOT commemorated on the Second Sunday of Lent. Nor do St. John of the Ladder and ST. Mary of Egypt have Lenten commemorations.

That’s because these commemorations are POST-Nikonian!

FWIW, I one etime had a small Chasoslov published by Met. Andrew Sheptitsky, and these commemorations were not in there, either.
 
That’s because these commemorations are POST-Nikonian!
The Greek Church had these commemorations before the Nikonian reforms, as did several Balkan and other Churches. Kyiv was always closer ecclesiastically to Constantinople for most of her history than Moscow.

While I am a fan of the Old Ritualists (and considered joining a community in my youth) as a Greek Catholic I do not refuse all post-Nikonian developments. Many newer saints, men of holiness and spiritual leadership, martyrs, etc. will unfortunately never be commemorated amongst the Old Ritualists.

As you say, the pre-Nikonian service books of the early 17th century have St. Gregory’s commemoration on his day of repose itself in November, and not the translation to the 2nd Sunday of the Great Fast.

This was done in the Muscovite church after the Nikonian reforms to conform with the Greek practice of the second Sunday of the Great Fast, which was instituted as I recall about a century after St. Gregory’s glorification (or about in the late 15th century). The Kyivan Church, closer to Constantinople, may have done this even sooner.
FWIW, I one etime had a small Chasoslov published by Met. Andrew Sheptitsky, and these commemorations were not in there, either.
Even some older Orthodox chasoslovia did not include this commemoration, either, probably because of the small size of the volume and the fact that this was a one-day-a year commemoration.

Regarding this specific volume you refer to, the Ordo and Anthologia as well as the other liturgical books were all printed years after this volume (which as I recall was also printed by the Basilians, which may greatlly explain its ommission).

The restoration of our liturgical and spiritual heritage should not be static. The Instruction from Rome exhorts us to minimize differences in liturgical practice with the Orthodox; in keeping with the letter and intent of the Instruction all of the non-Muscovite Churches of the Kyivan tradition that are sister Churches to the UGCC keep St. Gregory’s commemoration on the second Sunday of the Great Fast.

Since Rome has also blessed St. Gregory’s liturgical restoration in official liturgical books published by the Holy See, and our hierarchs themselves have recommended this restoration (Patriarch Josyp and more recently Bishop +Basil Losten in the Paschal Pilgrimage) , and it is perfectly consistent with the Instruction from Rome, the path is clear regarding St. Gregory’s commemoration on the Second Sunday of the Great Fast.
 
When Russian Catholics asked Pope Pius IX about such matters, he replied, “Nec plus, nec minus, nec altera. Add nothing, omit nothing, change nothing.”

There are and always have been several post-schism saints on the calendars of the Ruthenian and Ukrainian Churches–and I will assume, the Romanian Catholic Church as well.

I know that St. Sergius of Radonezh is in the latest Roman Martyrology.
It was actually St. Pope Pius X who said that, not Pius IX 👍
 
It was actually St. Pope Pius X who said that, not Pius IX

Thanks. I stand corrected!

Even some older Orthodox chasoslovia did not include this commemoration, either, probably because of the small size of the volume and the fact that this was a one-day-a year commemoration.

Almost every day in the Menologion is a one-day-per year commemoration, and this had an entry for every day.

FWIW, an old Molitvoslov published by the Holy Monastery of Pochaev in 1797 (that’s right–I saw it) didn’t have special commemorations for 2, 4, and 5 Sundays in Lent, either.
 
Which is Photius that you are referring to Photij Konstantinopolskim,

I thought the proper Slavonic word was “Tsargorod.”
 
Which is Photius that you are referring to Photij Konstantinopolskim,

I thought the proper Slavonic word was “Tsargorod.”
Tsar’gorod is a word. It meaning city of Tsar which is shorten for Tsesar’ (Rome Imperator) - probably in slavonic would better be Tsesar’-gorod. In Russian and Ukrainian are many fables where some king lives and his city is only called Tsar’gorod. So also was Moskva a Tsar’-gorod. But name of city is Moskva and name of Tsar’-gorod in Byzantia is called Konstantinopl’. But you could call both cities Tsar’‘gorod. But to me word Tsar’gorod has reminder medieval times. Neither Moskva or Stanbul’ is now a Tsar’gorod.

But on Feb 6 celebrate feast of :
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Фотий Константинопольский
 
I have been asked why St. Photini, the Woman at The Well would not be part of the Latin Rite Saints? I am teaching RCIA tomorrow, Sunday, March 15th, and was hoping to find an answer as to why such an intersting person would not be recognized??
Would appreciate any information if possible.
Thank you
 
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