Question on the Roman Rite of Mass

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I hope my question is not too rudimentary for the more scholared among us.

What is the difference, if any, on the Extra Ordinary form of Mass, and the the Tridentine? Are they one in the same?

Thanks.
 
Guy:

Yes, they are one and the same essentially.

One could argue that the adjective “Tridentine” refers only to the Roman Missal of Pope St Pius V, issued after the Council of Trent; and, whilst this is technically correct, in common parlance “Tridentine” also refers to the Mass according to the 1962 Missal of Bl. Pope John XXIII (aka the “extroardinary form”).

Hope this helps.

God bless,
Mark
 
The “Extraordinary Form” was the form used before 1962. Reforms were made following the Second Vatican Council that resulted in the “Ordinary Form”. Either form of the Roman Rite may be used. Among the changes you’ll see in the Ordinary Form:
  1. Vernacular languages may be used in place of Latin (although Latin is not forbidden).
  2. The priest generally faces the congregation (although he retains the option of facing the same way as the congregation, toward “Liturgical East”).
  3. Hymns are much more common.
  4. A three-year liturgical cycle replaced a one-year liturgical cycle. FAR more of the Bible is read in the new cycle.
  5. Lay people, both men and women, are allowed to serve in certain roles in the sanctuary, including as readers and Extraordinary Ministers of Holy Communion.
  6. The Last Gospel was removed, as well as a few prayers.
  7. The Blood of Christ may now be received by the congregation without an indult, at the discretion of the pastor.
  8. Communion may now be received standing, rather than kneeling, and in the hand, rather than on the tongue (although both remain options).
  9. The congregation now has responses during the Mass, whereas in the old form, this was uncommon, except during so-called “dialogue” Masses.
  10. There are now several options for Eucharistic Prayers, rather than just a single one
  11. Several feasts have been added, and some removed, to make room for new saints on the calendar.
  12. Most of the priest’s prayers are now spoken aloud in a way that the congregation could hear. This was not always the case in the Extraordinary Form.
 
BamaRider said:
I hope my question is not too rudimentary for the more scholared among us.

What is the difference, if any, on the Extra Ordinary form of Mass, and the the Tridentine? Are they one in the same?

Thanks.
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www.unavoce.org might be able to answer some of your questions.

Practically speaking, every EF has Gregorian Chant, Latin, high altars, ad orientem, Vestments, Churches with a multitude of statues and ornamentation (stained glass images containing saints and not symbols of bread) altar rails, communion on the tongue, no lay people on the altar, no girl altar boys, women wear chapel veils, the rosary is always prayed before every Mass, the Sermons are more likely to touch on “touchy” subjects like salvation and morality, etc.

This has been my experience. You would have to see for yourself, though. There’s probably an EF in your area. The OF can have all of these things to, but I’ve never seen that ever in my life.

You by chance from Northwest Alabama? I’m from around there.
 
I live in Central Alabama, when you say northwest I’m gonna assume Tri Cities?

I’m sorry, but now I’m back to being a little confused.

I’m well catacheized by the Sisters at Christ The King, pre VII. My First Communion 1962, but somehow this confuses me. I have not attended a EF Mass since it went away, not because I don’t like it, but I prefer the NO if celebrated reverently.

The EF and OF are pre VII, with their unique nuances correct? The Novus Ordo is post V!!, and sometimes called the Pauline? Is this right?

The Novus Ordo in Latin is referred to as what?

Sorry for my confusion.
 
BamaRider said:
I live in Central Alabama…
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I think it says where I’m from in Alabama in my profile, but I’d be willing to bet you could make a good guess anyway… lol
The EF and OF are pre VII, with their unique nuances correct? The Novus Ordo is post V!!, and sometimes called the Pauline? Is this right?
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The Extraordinary Form is also known as the Tridentine Latin Mass. It is the Mass from before Vatican II. The Ordinary Form IS the Novus Ordo, and is sometimes also called the Pauline. It is POST Vatican II. It is a reform of the Extraordinary Form. The terms EF and OF were recently implemented to avoid all the confusion, as there are about a dozen terms floating around for both that can be used. Especially problematic is the term “Latin Mass”, since the CURRENT Mass can also be said in Latin. The term is too imprecise.
The Novus Ordo in Latin is referred to as what?
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Still just the Ordinary Form. It was written to be said in Latin, but the vernacular is allowed, and has become the norm in most countries. But in any language, it is just the Ordinary Form.
 
Now, if you want REAL confusion, we could talk about the Ambrosian or Mozarabic rites, the various rites of the orders, like the Dominican and Carthusian, and the many various rites of the Eastern Catholic Churches…

If you grasp the Extraordinary and Ordinary Forms, however, you’re in pretty good shape.
 
Rolltide said:
There are a surprising number of Alabama people on this thread, aren’t there? 👍
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I’m actually from NE Mississippi, but I frequented Birmingham a lot back in the day. I love Alabama, personally. I really love the Ft. Payne area. Lovely surroundings for camping.
 
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