Question on Tridentine Mass

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Joe - if we remember the 50’s, that’s admitting we are over 50 - isn’t that when the memory starts to slip (grin, duck and run)
 
Deogratias - Re if we remember the 50’s, that’s admitting we are over 50 - isn’t that when the memory starts to slip I can remember the 50’s pretty well. it’s the 90’s and aught’s that give me trouble. 🙂
 
I went to a Latin low Mass today and the priest said the whole thing for every person. The Mass was long anyway, about an hour and 20 minutes so 5-10 minutes more for communion didn’t really matter. Plus most stayed for the prayers after Mass so I don’t think they are a crowd that cares about brevity.
Kathy
 
Whats all that mean I only heard Corpus Chirsti for the eucharist?
 
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Johannes

But the 1965 Missal, as far as I know, is not approved for use anymore. It may have been when he was younger and taught by the Nuns that Corpus Christi was what the priest uttered but he (or she) said all the Tridentine Masses he has gone to (implied recently) use this too - that’s why I asked where he went to Tridentine Mass.

Only the 1962 Missal or the NOM is approved for now.

Perhaps he goes to an Anglican rite and I am not sure what they do during communion.
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Anglican Use Mass is only in Texas and Massachuttes. Many Anglican Use parishes do have a Latin Novus Ordo that can be mistaken for a Tridentine Mass because they do it so well.

It is also unlikely that the Ambrosian Use Mass was celebrated in America.
 
Joe and Johannes - we are on Tridentine Mass #6 now in Phoenix. Believe me we are having some growing pains but that is to be expected I guess. So search your memories.

How many confetiors should there be? I thought it was two but only one was said today.

Also though the priest today had excellent Latin, he forgot to say the Canon and other parts that are supposed to be silent, silently. Then after the Last Gospel, he just popped on his biretta and left the altar without saying the prayers after Mass.

But at least we have the Indult and attendance is still good in spite of it being summertime when many leave the valley for the weekend to cooler elevations.
 
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deogratias:
Joe and Johannes - we are on Tridentine Mass #6 now in Phoenix. Believe me we are having some growing pains but that is to be expected I guess. So search your memories.

How many confetiors should there be? I thought it was two but only one was said today.

Also though the priest today had excellent Latin, he forgot to say the Canon and other parts that are supposed to be silent, silently. Then after the Last Gospel, he just popped on his biretta and left the altar without saying the prayers after Mass.

But at least we have the Indult and attendance is still good in spite of it being summertime when many leave the valley for the weekend to cooler elevations.
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If it is a High or Solemn Mass, the Leoine prayers are not required at all. Leoine prayers are recited after the Low Masses.

For the Confiteor, one is said by the priest and the other is said by the server afterwards. Was there a Second confiteor before Communion? The 1962 removed the second confiteor before Communion.
 
It was a low mass and that is my memory about the second confetior too.
 
About the Mass “taking longer” if the priest says “the whole thing” to each communicant: people really need to remember that the Mass is timeless. It’s outside of time! I could spend all day at Mass and not really care about time. Can’t we all just leave our watches at the church door?

Besides, think of all the nifty Catholic music that could be sung if communion took gasp 10 minutes. Wow, we might have time for the communion verse AND a motet. :yup:
 
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What does it mean?
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The confiteor? Or the fact that the second confiteor before communion was removed from the 1962 missal? If it’s the former, the confiteor is:

Confiteor Deo omnipotenti, beatae Mariae semper Virgini, beato Michaeli Archangelo, beato Joanni Baptistae, sanctis Apostolis Petro et Paulo, omnibus Sanctis, et tibi, Pater: quia peccavi nimis cogitatione, verbo, et opere mea culpa mea culpa, mea maxima culpa. Ideo precor beatam Mariam semper Virginem, beatum Michaelem Archangelum, beatum Joannem Baptistam, omnes Sanctos, et te, Pater, orare pro me ad Dominum Deum nostrum.

I confess to Almighty God, etc.

As for why it was removed from the 1962 Missal? I dunno. But I think the 1962 Missal is pretty stable without it.
 
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deogratias:
Perhaps he goes to an Anglican rite and I am not sure what they do during communion.
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Deogratias,

The formula employed in the Anglican Usage, from The Order of Mass according to The Book of Divine Worship is:
Holy Communion is administered by intinction on the tongue with the words,

The Body (and Blood) of our Lord Jesus Christ keep you in everlasting life
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the Communicant responds,
Amen
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Iohannes:
Anglican Use Mass is only in Texas and Massachuttes. Many Anglican Use parishes do have a Latin Novus Ordo that can be mistaken for a Tridentine Mass because they do it so well.
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Iohannes,

Actually, there is an Anglican Usage parish in South Carolina also. Without an Indult, Anglican Usage parishes do not have the right to celebrate in Latin:
The Order of Mass is approved for use in two forms: Rite I (in traditional English) and Rite II (in contemporary English).
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Many years,

Neil
 
“Corpus Domini Nostri Jesu Christi Custodiat Animam Tuam in Vitam Aeternam” I wanted to know what that meant, because Ive never heard it before.
 
Corpus Domini Nostri Jesu Christi Custodiat Animam Tuam in Vitam Aeternam…

Corpus (Body)
Domini (of Lord)
Nostri (Our)
Jesu Christi (Jesus Christ)
custodiat (keep…as in a custodian or houseKEEPer…also preserve)
Animam (soul)
Tuam (your)
in (same as English…also unto or to…)
Vitam (Life)
Aeternam (Eternal…also Everlasting)

Put it together…

body/ of lord/ our/ Jesus Christ/ keep/ soul/ your/ in/ life/ eternal/

Now with a word order and wording that makes more sense…

(May the) Body of Our Lord Jesus Christ preserve your soul unto everlasting life.
 
although in the Tridentine Mass the priest is supposed to say that completely for each communicant, at some Indult Masses, the priest himself may be new to the mass and is just helping out while a visiting priest who does know the Tridentine Mass is absent.

You may notice an MC (master of ceremonies) with the priest guiding him along the way. I’m guessing the priest assumed the saying “Corpus Christi” was fine since it was Latin, but as previous posters pointed out, “Corpus Christi” is for the New Mass we have today when it is celebrated in the Latin language.
 
Catholic Nerd - RE [The second Confiteor] As for why it was removed from the 1962 Missal? I dunno. But I think the 1962 Missal is pretty stable without it. It didn’t belong in the mass. However at one time, and in some areas, people went to Communion very infrequently, which is why there is a Church law requiring that one go at least once a year. For the infrequent times that someone did come forward for Communion, priests started to use the rite for giving Communion outside of Mass, which included the Confiteor. It was an unnecessary duplication.

Or at least that is how it was explained to me many years ago.
 
Which is the first confiteor? If that refers to the one near the start of the mass, you mean the indult I’ve been going to uses the second one? Before the servers receive, I can kinda hear them say the Confiteor and crossing themselves. Is this the second one you’re talking about?
 
Is this the second one you’re talking about?
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Well someone else recently told me that I actually meant the “third Cofnetior”
  1. Priest, 2) Altar Boys,(these two are said one directly after the other and I count them as one) the Third (which I refer to as the second) is after the priest’s communion and was followed by the words “Misereatur vestri omnipotens …” This whole section was removed from 1962 Missal which goes directly from priest’s communion to the words “Ecce Agnus Dei,…”
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Wait…yea…maybe my indult uses that third confiteor…but I do hear the servers say …“mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa…” kneeling and bowing low some minutes before receiving…
 
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