Question Re: Curses

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If curses are possible, can someone help me understand how a curse can affect a person who is in the state of sanctifying grace (before and/or after Baptism/Confession)? Wouldn’t the person be shielded by God’s grace?

Thanks so much, and God bless!
 
This is more of a question an exorcist is better to handle but I’ll offer what I understand.

Curses in general are demonic activity which is sent to torment a person due to the actions of anther person. Basically through the misuse of their free will they are selling their soul (realizing it or not) in exchange for a “favor”. The diabolical are just as likely to turn on the one casting the curse.

There are a lot of people who claim to practice some kind of magic who are nothing more then charlatans. However, there are those who do practice occult who can preform curses.

The tricky bit is that a curse is not actually cause and effect but rather sentient beings trying to fool/torment people into forsaking their souls. So even in other applications (like ouija boards) they do not effect everyone equally. Some are visibly affected, others it is very subtle, and others seem to be completely unaffected.

Since it is demonic activity the best solution to protect yourself is to stay close to God. However, sometimes it may be possible a believer will be affected. Why can be hard to pin down since to a point the demonic are allowed to harass everybody regardless of prayer life (look at Padre Pio).

However, God may allow a curse to encourage the believer to become closer to God, since the way to remove said curse would be to develop a closer relationship. So instead of a person, while a believer just does the basic requirements, God may use this as an opportunity to show them the value of a more active prayer life. Another consideration is that Christians have to keep in mind the value of offering suffering up as sacrifice. While a secular person may be burdened by suffering, followers of Christ can offer it up for the salvation of souls and to help others.

Again, this is speculation. What is known is that for a curse to affect a believer would require God’s permission meaning that there would be a purpose to allowing it. For nonbelievers it is different since they do not want Christ (and consequently his protection) in their lives. God respects our free will even when we use it to reject God.

God Bless
 
SA,

Thank you for your response. You’ve provided some very interesting points. One thing in particular that you pointed out, and that I never stopped to think about, was how God permitted the Saints to be attacked physically, over again. I suppose that would be a sort of curse as well.

You have given me a lot of food for thought – thank you again; it will be helpful for discussion when this subject comes up again among my friends and family members.

God bless you!
 
If curses are possible, can someone help me understand how a curse can affect a person who is in the state of sanctifying grace (before and/or after Baptism/Confession)? Wouldn’t the person be shielded by God’s grace?

Thanks so much, and God bless!
I do not believe a person in a state of grace can be affected by a curse. Being in a state of mortal sin can probably open the door to this.
 
I do not believe a person in a state of grace can be affected by a curse. Being in a state of mortal sin can probably open the door to this.
Thank you Thistle … this is what I was wondering about. SA gave some really interesting points, but yes, the idea of being in the state of grace and the devil being able to “override” that, so to speak, was what was confusing to me. :confused:

Thanks everyone!
 
There is a story written but one of the exorcists, Fr. Amorth if I recall correctly, that details a perplexing case of a person who was a spiritual child of Padre Pio and lived a holy life. When he entered an older age he became possessed, he did nothing to open the door for it. After he was liberated the exorcist felt that the suffering was a way for him to be spiritually purified so the man could enter into heaven when he died.

Again, the tricky bit here is that we are talking about heavenly vs. diabolical and how much each is allowed to effect us and not cause and effect.

State’s of Grace are by God’s permission. In fact all demonic activity (curses, afflictions (like those of saints), possessions, etc.) are allowed by God. While the demonic have been described by various people (Padre Pio, Scott Hahn) as being on a leash (they cannot do whatever they want), we do not fully understand what limits are put into place by God.

The risk is oversimplifying what a State of Grace is and looking at it like cause and effect. I do this action and thus I am safe, rather then I do my best to follow God and trust in his will and protection. If one follows the oversimplified version then in a case stated above or as the poster requested, it would appear that the State of Grace is “broken” rather than understanding that God permitted a form of demonic activity for a reason.

Granted, while I agree that being in a State of Grace is the best way to protect oneself, I cannot say with any certainty that God may not decide to allow one to suffer a demonic affliction for a reason that fits into God’s plan. One has to remember that curses (the way we think of it as a form of magic or something we have control over) are not what is occurring, it is another example of diabolical activity. Diabolically activity in general when looked at as a whole has not been relegated to those only suffering states of mortal sin.

Again, this is a question better suited for an exorcist rather then myself.

God Bless
 
If curses are possible, can someone help me understand how a curse can affect a person who is in the state of sanctifying grace (before and/or after Baptism/Confession)? Wouldn’t the person be shielded by God’s grace?

Thanks so much, and God bless!
because Curses are some nasty stuff.
 
I have heard before that curses can not effect people living in a state of grace, but do effect people living in mortal sin, which makes perfect sense. God bless you.
 
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