question re islam

[captainmike]

not an expert on islam at all. however, my understanding is that muslim women wear head scarves as an expression of modesty. these women only want their men to be able to see their hair.

but then why do so many muslim women wear stylish head scarves that attract attention? not only that, they also frequently wear stylish shoes that match, or at least compliment, the scarves.

why?

here’s my theory: a lot of muslim women actually like the attention that wearing the scarf gets them. deep down, they want men who aren’t their husbands to notice them. and maybe some women become muslim precisely to get that extra attention.

if the purpose of the scarf is to project modesty and to make it so that only the husband can see his wife in all of her glory, why not wear the most bland and nondescript scarf you can find? why wear one that causes other men to notice it?

 

[Fone_Bone_2001]

I think you’re thinking about this way too hard. What business is it of ours what’s going on in the heart/intentions of a particular Muslim woman? We don’t get to judge that. This kind of speculation isn’t spiritually helpful to anyone.

 

[4Squarebaby]

Why wear a head scarf yet do everything else to attract rather then a chador, a full abaya and niqab… Is that the question?

 

[Bezant]

not an expert on islam at all. however, my understanding is that muslim women wear head scarves as an expression of modesty. these women only want their men to be able to see their hair.
but then why do so many muslim women wear stylish head scarves that attract attention? not only that, they also frequently wear stylish shoes that match, or at least compliment, the scarves.
why?
here’s my theory: a lot of muslim women actually like the attention that wearing the scarf gets them. deep down, they want men who aren’t their husbands to notice them. and maybe some women become muslim precisely to get that extra attention.
if the purpose of the scarf is to project modesty and to make it so that only the husband can see his wife in all of her glory, why not wear the most bland and nondescript scarf you can find? why wear one that causes other men to notice it?

Why do we wear our Sunday Best to Mass, and not burlap sacks?

Modesty doesn’t mean you need to look ugly.

 

[Bezant]

Why wear a head scarf yet do everything else to attract rather then a chador, a full abaya and niqab… Is that the question?

There are ways of making chador’s, abaya’s and niqabs look suggestive.

 

[Seek_Truth]

Modesty does not mean ugly, but then modesty should not be transformed to perform the opposite in a sense…

I see where your coming from

Im a young muslim girl and I do dress as modestly as possible, often wearing abayas. Usually I stick with one colour hijab, or minimum designs because sometimes ones modesty might be the source of attention, which is often the case when girls start to over do the hijab, with crazy design and glitter that will blind your eyes lol, to the point where the hijab in itself holds no relevance and it become nothing more than a mere accessory

But deep down inside, I don’t seek the pleasure of society, or the pleasure of my father, or the pleasure of my husband when I do get married lol but for the pleasure of Allah.

May peace be upon you guys

Sis, Canada

 

[Sam_777]

not an expert on islam at all. however, my understanding is that muslim women wear head scarves as an expression of modesty.

Actually it’s not for modesty, it’s a must per (Quran 33:59):
O Prophet! Tell thy wives and daughters, and the believing women, that they should cast their outer garments over their persons (when abroad): that is most convenient, that they should be known (as such) and not molested. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

ياأيها النبي قل لأزواجك وبناتك ونساء المؤمنين يدنين عليهن من جلابيبهن ذلك أدنى أن يعرفن فلا يؤذين وكان الله غفورا رحيما
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why do so many muslim women wear stylish head scarves that attract attention? not only that, they also frequently wear stylish shoes that match, or at least compliment, the scarves.

Not all of them, it depends on the mentality of that particular woman, not to mention the society effect, if most of the society is wearing fancy stylish head scarves then most of the new generations will go with that trend…

 

[FaithJoy]

I think you’re thinking about this way too hard. What business is it of ours what’s going on in the heart/intentions of a particular Muslim woman? We don’t get to judge that. This kind of speculation isn’t spiritually helpful to anyone.

You say that to a fellow Christian on this forum but obviously Muslim men think very much what is going on in a Muslim woman’s heart/intentions to the point of their law taking care of the issue. I’m sorry, but many attack fellow Christians but turn a blind eye to other faiths who have the power to actually punish the Muslim women, who are the victims here.

 

[Seek_Truth]

Muslim women are being punished eh? I didnt know I was quite honestly. Maybe when people ( including Muslims) begin to mix culture with religion, it can seem to appear so. I know that I’m fulfilling my obligation to cover because God told me to. Simple.

And I feel proud that I am maintaining my honour in such a way, other people may feel differently which is why sometimes I feel the vibe that I am not excepted, but that’s okay. I can’t blame them if they don’t know, instead to have to teach through my action example.

Alhamdoulilah, I’m 18, I vote, I work, I just finished first year university, volunteer at the Boys and Girls Club of Ottawa… I think I’m contributing to society quite well lol but there’s always room for improvement.

Point of the matter is, as a Muslim women I must surrender to the Will of God and obey what He has given me as instructions for the temporary life of the world, a mere moment that will eventually come to an end. Gotta make the most of it while I have it right

Nice talking to you guys

Salam( peace)

Your Sis, Canada

 

[Bezant]

Muslim women are being punished eh? I didnt know I was quite honestly. Maybe when people ( including Muslims) begin to mix culture with religion, it can seem to appear so. I know that I’m fulfilling my obligation to cover because God told me to. Simple.

And I feel proud that I am maintaining my honour in such a way, other people may feel differently which is why sometimes I feel the vibe that I am not excepted, but that’s okay. I can’t blame them if they don’t know, instead to have to teach through my action example.

Alhamdoulilah, I’m 18, I vote, I work, I just finished first year university, volunteer at the Boys and Girls Club of Ottawa… I think I’m contributing to society quite well lol but there’s always room for improvement.

Point of the matter is, as a Muslim women I must surrender to the Will of God and obey what He has given me as instructions for the temporary life of the world, a mere moment that will eventually come to an end. Gotta make the most of it while I have it right

Nice talking to you guys

Salam( peace)

Your Sis, Canada

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[Seek_Truth]

Haha, thank you

Very generous of you

Your sis, Canada

 

[rikkk1958]

Modesty does not mean ugly, but then modesty should not be transformed to perform the opposite in a sense…

I see where your coming from

Im a young muslim girl and I do dress as modestly as possible, often wearing abayas. Usually I stick with one colour hijab, or minimum designs because sometimes ones modesty might be the source of attention, which is often the case when girls start to over do the hijab, with crazy design and glitter that will blind your eyes lol, to the point where the hijab in itself holds no relevance and it become nothing more than a mere accessory

But deep down inside, I don’t seek the pleasure of society, or the pleasure of my father, or the pleasure of my husband when I do get married lol but for the pleasure of Allah.

May peace be upon you guys

Sis, Canada

Peace be with you too. May you find peace with what you confessed here.

I find this confession to be truly hypocritical. Pleasure of Allah? My dear sister, it would be much better to confess that you are a sinner than to be a hypocrite.

However, I can not blame you because you do not believe in asking for forgiveness because you always believe that Allah will forgive you every time you sin.

 

[Seek_Truth]

Umm I’m sorry, I don’t think I’m getting the memo here…

What was I being hyprocritical about? Please let me know…

Is it because I said I’m wearing it for the pleasure of Allah? Well than, I guess I’ll have to into detail even though i really dont want to…

1. Pleasure of Husband: I’m not married, I’m only 18.
2. Pleasure of society: last time I checked, theres no pleasure for it lol
3. Pleasure of Father: My dad is not muslim, same with my mom, so… It’s kinda void

See although my parents are Christians,they respect my decision because that what they have been taught, TO RESPECT OTHERS. My father actually applaudes with my decision of dressing modestly. Even saying that, " the hijab is strikingly similar to the cloth on the head of Mary" lool. I love him

But please let me know if I’m missing the point.

May peace be with you

 

[Rocky]

Umm I’m sorry, I don’t think I’m getting the memo here…

What was I being hyprocritical about? Please let me know…

Is it because I said I’m wearing it for the pleasure of Allah? Well than, I guess I’ll have to into detail even though i really dont want to…

1. Pleasure of Husband: I’m not married, I’m only 18.
2. Pleasure of society: last time I checked, theres no pleasure for it lol
3. Pleasure of Father: My dad is not muslim, same with my mom, so… It’s kinda void

See although my parents are Christians,they respect my decision because that what they have been taught, TO RESPECT OTHERS. My father actually applaudes with my decision of dressing modestly. Even saying that, " the hijab is strikingly similar to the cloth on the head of Mary" lool. I love him

But please let me know if I’m missing the point.

May peace be with you

Sis,

How wonderful for you that your Christian parents respect your decision. If only Muslim parents would respect the decision of their offspring who want to convert to another faith. Perhaps that is something both you and I could pray for— that freedom to choose one’s religion would be respected throughout the world, especially in Muslim countries.

 

[Seek_Truth]

Oh and btw, how am I sinning?

 

[FaithJoy]

Muslim women are being punished eh? I didnt know I was quite honestly. Maybe when people ( including Muslims) begin to mix culture with religion, it can seem to appear so. I know that I’m fulfilling my obligation to cover because God told me to. Simple.

And I feel proud that I am maintaining my honour in such a way, other people may feel differently which is why sometimes I feel the vibe that I am not excepted, but that’s okay. I can’t blame them if they don’t know, instead to have to teach through my action example.

Alhamdoulilah, I’m 18, I vote, I work, I just finished first year university, volunteer at the Boys and Girls Club of Ottawa… I think I’m contributing to society quite well lol but there’s always room for improvement.

Point of the matter is, as a Muslim women I must surrender to the Will of God and obey what He has given me as instructions for the temporary life of the world, a mere moment that will eventually come to an end. Gotta make the most of it while I have it right

Nice talking to you guys

Salam( peace)

Your Sis, Canada

I’m sure you know of police hitting Muslim women in public for only showing their hair? That isn’t abuse/punishment? It is good you live in Canada sister, for they are not abusive like some Muslim countries who effect millions of Muslim women. I will pray for those abused women tonight and so should you.

 

[LOCO]

Peace be with you too. May you find peace with what you confessed here.

I find this confession to be truly hypocritical. Pleasure of Allah? My dear sister, it would be much better to confess that you are a sinner than to be a hypocrite.

However, I can not blame you because you do not believe in asking for forgiveness because you always believe that Allah will forgive you every time you sin.

You offer ‘peace’ and then you call her a ‘hypocrite’ in the next breath.

Do you know this person?
Do you know her heart?

Your claim that Muslims think Allah will forgive them every time they sin shows a complete lack of understanding of their faith.

Muslims believe that only a ‘truly repentant’ sinner will enter Paradise.
They also believe that all sins are forgivable and that confession is done only between man and God.

Whereas we believe only one sin is unforgivable (blasphemy against the Holy Spirit) and we confess to God and to our Priests.

Muslims believe that forgiveness for one’s sins is not something that comes automatically; it is something that must be sought sincerely and with true devotion. It is only through Allah’s mercy that one can hope to enter Paradise…mmm sounds familiar to me

Please correct me, any Muslims out there, if I have it wrong.

 

[Seek_Truth]

You offer ‘peace’ and then you call her a ‘hypocrite’ in the next breath.

Do you know this person?
Do you know her heart?

Your claim that Muslims think Allah will forgive them every time they sin shows a complete lack of understanding of their faith.

Muslims believe that only a ‘truly repentant’ sinner will enter Paradise.
They also believe that all sins are forgivable and that confession is done only between man and God.

Whereas we believe only one sin is unforgivable (blasphemy against the Holy Spirit) and we confess to God and to our Priests.

Muslims believe that forgiveness for one’s sins is not something that comes automatically; it is something that must be sought sincerely and with true devotion. It is only through Allah’s mercy that one can hope to enter Paradise…mmm sounds familiar to me

Please correct me, any Muslims out there, if I have it wrong.

Yes my friend, you have it right

Thanks for the defending, I was just confused on what it is I’m being hypercritical about…

Yes I know that Muslim women are supposed to wear a hijab and appropriate clothing to dress modestly and I will admit, that yes, some of my fellow sisters over do it wth clothing that seem suggestive, at least from what we see ( intentions on the other hand are only known to her and Allah) …

But I think for me to acknowledge the faults of our sister to help them become better is actually something I should be doing…especially If someone outside of Islam is asking why is it that some sisters choose to wear such " attention seeking" hijabs…

And for me to not admit that this is a problem that exist or at least an issue, is what called hyprocitical…

I think it’s my duty to tell you the honest truth, and frankly the one who posted this thread is expressing some facts that are true…I can’t deny it

On the other hand, I’m 18 and the last time o haven’t been wearing an abaya or a loose skirt was when I was 15, when I converted so…I myself am not doing anything hypercritical because I don’t wear tight clothing, or make up, or crazy decorative hijabs…the simpler the better for moi

I hope that you please let me know if I’m missing something here…

Again thanks guys, open dialogue really opens your mind eh

Peace everyone

Your sis, Canada

 

[Seek_Truth]

I’m sure you know of police hitting Muslim women in public for only showing their hair? That isn’t abuse/punishment? It is good you live in Canada sister, for they are not abusive like some Muslim countries who effect millions of Muslim women. I will pray for those abused women tonight and so should you.

Yes of course, in the middle east, the situation seems to be quite different. And personally I have a problem with that because, well, some Muslims complain about the right that they have here living in the West and I understand where they’re coming from but if you think about it, some of their complaints render little to now value of the same objective or complaint is not being accepted within the Muslim community in the middle east.

For example, the niqab ban in France. Now I do believe that maybe it wasn’t neccessary to impose a ban on what Muslim women wear regarding the face veil but I will not condemn them while I am quite aware that the same or similar rules apply within the Muslim counties itself! I know it’s much complicated than that but I hope you know what I mean…

I am very thankful to be living in a country like Canada, where one can settle difference and still accept each other for who they are… Alhamdoulilah

But as well I think personally that we Muslims need to step up our game in terms of following what we preach and actually being appreciative of what we have instead of complaining about what thing we want here that we never even had back home lol

I’m not saying give up on your rights and what you believe in, I’m just saying that we need to have more of a balance instead of demand all the time you know… It’s like going to a neighboors house, you go with your confidence and belief, but you also respect the house of your neighbor by abiding to reasonable rules of the house… Which can be really hard but we gotta get better at it inshallah

Peace to you
Your sis, Canada

 

[Abu_Toshiba]

yes, some of my fellow sisters over do it wth clothing that seem suggestive, at least from what we see ( intentions on the other hand are only known to her and Allah) …

I believe there is also a kind of social pressure that puchs the sisters to wear more attractive hijabs. Take not of all these anti-islamic propaganda attacking anything that Islam stands for. The veil was attacked also on a phenomenal number of occasions, the veil being equated to a symbol of oppresion towards women … a women with a veil will naturally attract the attention of people toward her, and since this is the idea people have of a muslim women wearing a veil ( ‘‘oppressed women’’ ) … the muslim women after having received tones of weird looks of people who pity her, tries to change the negative image the Media had been projecting about her for years by wearing more colorful and nice-looking hijabs

Just a hypothesis.