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I was wondering… what are your viewpoints on a Christian who struggles with homosexuality?

Is it any different than a Christian who struggles with addictions, pornography, etc.?

What about a Christian who struggles with it but no longer desires it and wants to become heterosexual? Is that possible with God’s help or is it a lost case? (If that’s the case, thank God for Saint Jude!)

Also, will that Christian, if they ask forgiveness from God and repent… will they suffer in purgatory for their actions of the past or will it be forgiven unto them?

Peace be with you,
~ Brian
 
It may be a harder cross to carry because of society’s views on that issue. But then there are some elements of society that think that pornography and addictions (such as masturbation) are okay. That is of course wrong.

It’s certainly possible for one to be healed of any burden.
 
I was wondering… what are your viewpoints on a Christian who struggles with homosexuality?

Is it any different than a Christian who struggles with addictions, pornography, etc.?

What about a Christian who struggles with it but no longer desires it and wants to become heterosexual? Is that possible with God’s help or is it a lost case? (If that’s the case, thank God for Saint Jude!)

Also, will that Christian, if they ask forgiveness from God and repent… will they suffer in purgatory for their actions of the past or will it be forgiven unto them?

Peace be with you,
~ Brian
I suppose, in theory, they would have to do time in Purgatory. BUT, if they have truly repented, had proper confession and contrition, followed by the Eucherist, and no attachment to sin, especially their homosexual past, it would be easy enough to get a Plenary Indulgence.

And make sure his will has provision for a set of Gregorian Masses
 
I was wondering… what are your viewpoints on a Christian who struggles with homosexuality?
Homosexual acts are sinful. The Bible makes that perfectly clear. A Christian who struggles with homosexual desires is right to struggle against them.
Is it any different than a Christian who struggles with addictions, pornography, etc.?
Well, if you mean does God consider it a grave sin of and in itself, the answer is yes. However, addiction can be a mitigating circumstance (lessens the culpability of the act in question). Mortal sin requires 3 components:
  1. Grave matter - Breaks your relationship with God
  2. Knowledge - You know that the act is a grave sin
  3. Free Will - If 1 and 2 above are met and the person freely chooses to perform the act anyway.
With an addiction, items 1 and 2 may be met, but there may be a problem with number 3. Only God and the individual involved know for sure if number 3 is met.
What about a Christian who struggles with it but no longer desires it and wants to become heterosexual? Is that possible with God’s help or is it a lost case? (If that’s the case, thank God for Saint Jude!)
Of course, it is not a lost cause. Nothing is impossible with God, there are many people both Catholic, and otherwise who have left homosexuality behind. A search on the internet should provide a person with both cases and support/therapy to help the person.
Also, will that Christian, if they ask forgiveness from God and repent… will they suffer in purgatory for their actions of the past or will it be forgiven unto them?
That is something between God and the person. If the person has confessed his/her sin and been absolved by a priest then his/her sin has been forgiven. However, there may still be some temporal punishment, which may need to be worked out. This temporal punishment may take place here on earth or in purgatory. The Church provides us indulgences, which can help lessen or eliminate one’s time in purgatory. However, only God knows what an individual’s temporal punishment is.
 
What about a Christian who struggles with it but no longer desires it and wants to become heterosexual?
I have a problem with this statement. I honestly don’t believe that a homosexual can become heterosexual, generally speaking. There might be a chance that you are bi-sexual and are attracted to both. For the most part, it doesn’t matter what you want to call yourself until it comes to marriage. When you bring a second party into your confusion, you better be sure the second party knows exactly what is going on in your head. You can lie to yourself as easily as you can lie to someone else.
 
I have a problem with this statement. I honestly don’t believe that a homosexual can become heterosexual, generally speaking. There might be a chance that you are bi-sexual and are attracted to both. For the most part, it doesn’t matter what you want to call yourself until it comes to marriage. When you bring a second party into your confusion, you better be sure the second party knows exactly what is going on in your head. You can lie to yourself as easily as you can lie to someone else.
God can heal someone of any affliction. It is possible for someone to be healed of homosexuality. I’m sure that it’s a tough journey and a heavy cross to bear, but it is possible. For you to say that it is not very disheartening in my opinion. People shouldn’t refer to themselves as homosexual anyways. If someone has that affliction, then he or she should just say that they have same-sex attractions.
 
Thanks for your replies everyone…

It is a really tough cross to bear, but even though at times the temptations are rough in any area, I’m sure God’s grace abounds…

For me, it is a difficult journey… but to be with God is greater to me than an eternity in Hell and plus, I do want a family with a wife one day… Only God knows what the future holds.

Peace be with you,
Brian
 
Thanks for your replies everyone…

It is a really tough cross to bear, but even though at times the temptations are rough in any area, I’m sure God’s grace abounds…

For me, it is a difficult journey… but to be with God is greater to me than an eternity in Hell and plus, I do want a family with a wife one day… Only God knows what the future holds.

Peace be with you,
Brian
Brian,
There is help available. I will try to get you the website of a man that helps people who suffer from SSA and homosexuality. He was gay but is now straight with a wife and kids. I will post the website if I can find it
 
I was wondering… what are your viewpoints on a Christian who struggles with homosexuality?
There is no good reason that homosexual acts should be considered immoral simply because they are homosexual. One certianly has the right to not engage in homosexual thoughts or behavior if he or she has strong homosexual tendencies, but it is not neccessary. I respect those that for religious reasons chose celibacy, including homosexually-oriented men and women who feel it’s immoral to act on thier desires. However, I disagree with thier reasons for doing so.

The “Natural Law” argument is flawed on the basis that just because a human being’s disposition, trait, or body part is obviously ordered towards one thing, it doesn’t neccessarily mean that alterations to one’s “natural” disposition, transcendence beyond “normal” traits, or different uses for those body parts are immoral or wrong. For example, it is not by the nature of the mouth obviously being ordered towards eating that makes trying to eat a spoon an incorrect and dangerous action. It’s the fact that you would choke and possibly die. Furthermore, the nose, for instance, is obviously ordered towards breathing and smelling, not for holding one’s glasses. However, no “Natural Law” theorist has ever made the case for the immorality of wearing glasses. Natural Law theory is too simplistic for the modern world in which we live in today.

From a strictly secular point of view, the Bible is not a reliable source for solid moral teachings. Perhaps if the Bible did not have God commanding the slaughter of hundreds of innocent human beings, including women and children (Such as the Battle of Jericho in the book of Joshua, Chapter 6), the Bible might be a reliable moral guide. However, with these and other glaring examples of the Biblical injustice I find it very difficult to accept arguments based on the authority of scripture.

And as far as the authority of the Catholic church goes, I don’t think “homosexuality is wrong because the Church is right about everything” is a respectable viewpoint. The morality of homosexuality ought to be determined true or false without invoking the authority of the church. The Church is right about a given moral statement because that moral statement can be objectively proven true, not because the Church said that it’s true. In class, for instance, the professor speaks the truth not because the professor speaks it, but because he or she can show that it’s true. He has evidence that validate his claims. Let us say that I disagree with my professor on a given issue. What if he responded: “I’m the professor! By virtue of my authority as a teacher, and because I only teach the truth, what I say must be true!” I think we’d probably laugh at him. When intelligently dealing with moral issues, we work with real evidence, not claims of authority.
What about a Christian who struggles with it but no longer desires it and wants to become heterosexual? Is that possible with God’s help or is it a lost case? (If that’s the case, thank God for Saint Jude!)
Changing one’s sexual orientation is possible, but unneccessary. So called “reparative” therapy is expensive, unreliable, and is widely considered unethical. For many, it is an attempt to reconcile irrational beliefs with no basis in verifiable fact. I have never heard of an unreligious person with homosexual tendencies ever undergoing reparative therapy. It is for religious people who want to conform to their religion’s standards and expectations for their followers.

“The most important fact about ‘reparative therapy,’ also sometimes known as ‘conversion’ therapy, is that it is based on an understanding of homosexuality that has been rejected by all the major health and mental health professions. The American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Counseling Association, the American Psychiatric Association, the American Psychological Association, the National Association of School Psychologists, and the National Association of Social Workers, together representing more than 477,000 health and mental health professionals, have all taken the position that homosexuality is not a mental disorder and thus there is no need for a ‘cure.’ …health and mental health professional organizations do not support efforts to change young people’s sexual orientation through ‘reparative therapy’ and have raised serious concerns about its potential to do harm.” (American Psychological Association, 2006)
 
Thanks for your replies everyone…

It is a really tough cross to bear, but even though at times the temptations are rough in any area, I’m sure God’s grace abounds…

For me, it is a difficult journey… but to be with God is greater to me than an eternity in Hell and plus, I do want a family with a wife one day… Only God knows what the future holds.

Peace be with you,
Brian
Brian, I know *exactly *how you feel. I’m 20 years old. I’ve always been very religious. For a couple years there, I went to mass every day. And, like you, I’ve struggled with homosexuality. It’s a huge issue. You feel attracted to people in a way that your church has told you is wrong. Maybe you’re like me, and when you found out about the Church’s teachings (I was 15 years old), you were completely dumbfounded. “How could what I’m feeling be wrong?” And, over the months, you slowly accepted it on faith. You accepted it because this was your church and so much else about it made so much sense. The Church felt so right. It claimed to know everything. How could you possibly suggest that the Church could be wrong on something?

I write this as a message of hope. What if the Church is wrong on this? What if homosexuality isn’t wrong? What if you’re struggling against desires for no reason? If you’re like me, it’s been quite a struggle already. You understand, moreso than most people sitting next you at mass, what the meaning of “carry your cross” is.

But it’s not really a cross. Look at the evidence. Look at the real arguements. I encourage you to make a real, intelligent judgement here based on evidence. If the Catholic church’s position on homosexuality is true, then the evidence should support it - but it doesn’t. There is nothing wrong with homosexuality. (My specific arguements for why this is true are in my post above)

Do some research. Think this issue through. Write it all out. There is hope.
 
I write this as a message of hope. What if the Church is wrong on this? What if homosexuality isn’t wrong? What if you’re struggling against desires for no reason? If you’re like me, it’s been quite a struggle already. You understand, moreso than most people sitting next you at mass, what the meaning of “carry your cross” is.

But it’s not really a cross. Look at the evidence. Look at the real arguements. I encourage you to make a real, intelligent judgement here based on evidence. If the Catholic church’s position on homosexuality is true, then the evidence should support it - but it doesn’t. There is nothing wrong with homosexuality. (My specific arguements for why this is true are in my post above)

Do some research. Think this issue through. Write it all out. There is hope.
With all do respect Exhalt, you are mistaken. I can tell by your post that you are well educated (academically) and I can only hope that you will some day realize that not everything can be touched in order to know it exists. I’m speaking of faith when I say this. Faith in the Bible, faith in the Church, and above all faith in God. None of these suggest that homosexuality is anything less than a sin. In fact, they all say rather plainly that it is a sin. I’m sorry that you are having to struggle with homosexuality and I hope that you can overcome that. I think it very sad that you have disregarded the Bible and the Church as having authority in defining such matters. If you don’t mind me asking, what is God’s status in your life? Take care and God bless.
 
With all do respect Exhalt, you are mistaken. I can tell by your post that you are well educated (academically)
Thank you for the compliment.
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Tietjen:
and I can only hope that you will some day realize that not everything can be touched in order to know it exists. I’m speaking of faith when I say this. Faith in the Bible, faith in the Church, and above all faith in God. None of these suggest that homosexuality is anything less than a sin. In fact, they all say rather plainly that it is a sin. I’m sorry that you are having to struggle with homosexuality and I hope that you can overcome that. I think it very sad that you have disregarded the Bible and the Church as having authority in defining such matters.
I appreciate your sentiment because I know it comes from your heart. However, I cannot accept it. What you are asking of me is to accept a lifestyle (orthodox Catholicism) that **all **my reason and logic (both created by God) are telling me to reject. Why should I believe that the Bible has any authority? Why should I believe the Church has any authority?
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Tietjen:
If you don’t mind me asking, what is God’s status in your life? Take care and God bless.
The God-question is a huge one in my mind. It’s not something I’m dismissing at all. I feel fairly certain that there’s something like the Christian God, and I’m trying to figure it out. I do pray to God. I do spend a good deal of my time thinking about God.
 
There is no good reason that homosexual acts should be considered immoral simply because they are homosexual. One certianly has the right to not engage in homosexual thoughts or behavior if he or she has strong homosexual tendencies, but it is not neccessary. I respect those that for religious reasons chose celibacy, including homosexually-oriented men and women who feel it’s immoral to act on thier desires. However, I disagree with thier reasons for doing so.

The “Natural Law” argument is flawed on the basis that just because a human being’s disposition, trait, or body part is obviously ordered towards one thing, it doesn’t neccessarily mean that alterations to one’s “natural” disposition, transcendence beyond “normal” traits, or different uses for those body parts are immoral or wrong. For example, it is not by the nature of the mouth obviously being ordered towards eating that makes trying to eat a spoon an incorrect and dangerous action. It’s the fact that you would choke and possibly die. Furthermore, the nose, for instance, is obviously ordered towards breathing and smelling, not for holding one’s glasses. However, no “Natural Law” theorist has ever made the case for the immorality of wearing glasses. Natural Law theory is too simplistic for the modern world in which we live in today.

From a strictly secular point of view, the Bible is not a reliable source for solid moral teachings. Perhaps if the Bible did not have God commanding the slaughter of hundreds of innocent human beings, including women and children (Such as the Battle of Jericho in the book of Joshua, Chapter 6), the Bible might be a reliable moral guide. However, with these and other glaring examples of the Biblical injustice I find it very difficult to accept arguments based on the authority of scripture.

And as far as the authority of the Catholic church goes, I don’t think “homosexuality is wrong because the Church is right about everything” is a respectable viewpoint. The morality of homosexuality ought to be determined true or false without invoking the authority of the church. The Church is right about a given moral statement because that moral statement can be objectively proven true, not because the Church said that it’s true. In class, for instance, the professor speaks the truth not because the professor speaks it, but because he or she can show that it’s true. He has evidence that validate his claims. Let us say that I disagree with my professor on a given issue. What if he responded: “I’m the professor! By virtue of my authority as a teacher, and because I only teach the truth, what I say must be true!” I think we’d probably laugh at him. When intelligently dealing with moral issues, we work with real evidence, not claims of authority.

Changing one’s sexual orientation is possible, but unneccessary. So called “reparative” therapy is expensive, unreliable, and is widely considered unethical. For many, it is an attempt to reconcile irrational beliefs with no basis in verifiable fact. I have never heard of an unreligious person with homosexual tendencies ever undergoing reparative therapy. It is for religious people who want to conform to their religion’s standards and expectations for their followers.

“The most important fact about ‘reparative therapy,’ also sometimes known as ‘conversion’ therapy, is that it is based on an understanding of homosexuality that has been rejected by all the major health and mental health professions. The American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Counseling Association, the American Psychiatric Association, the American Psychological Association, the National Association of School Psychologists, and the National Association of Social Workers, together representing more than 477,000 health and mental health professionals, have all taken the position that homosexuality is not a mental disorder and thus there is no need for a ‘cure.’ …health and mental health professional organizations do not support efforts to change young people’s sexual orientation through ‘reparative therapy’ and have raised serious concerns about its potential to do harm.” (American Psychological Association, 2006)
Thank you for saying this. And to Brian, the sooner you realize and accept your homosexuality, the better.
 
I was wondering… what are your viewpoints on a Christian who struggles with homosexuality?

Is it any different than a Christian who struggles with addictions, pornography, etc.?

What about a Christian who struggles with it but no longer desires it and wants to become heterosexual? Is that possible with God’s help or is it a lost case? (If that’s the case, thank God for Saint Jude!)

Also, will that Christian, if they ask forgiveness from God and repent… will they suffer in purgatory for their actions of the past or will it be forgiven unto them?

Peace be with you,
~ Brian
I see the struggle wih same sex attraction as being very similar to the other things you note. Same sex attraction tries to close the door to authentic Christian life. Alchoholism, pornography, and other addictions are similar in that sense. They want to ask how far you can go. Authentic Christian living is about how close you can get to God.

Our sexual selves encompass ALL of our selves. I am a WOMAN writing this to you. All that I do, all that I am is affected strongly by that one factor. I am a woman. While I have not suffered from SSA, I did suffer many years from disordered thoughts that led to fornication. I have confessed those fornication sins. I might still suffer some more purging, I don’t know. I do a lot of penance for my past. Only God is the judge when we are fully purified of our sins to enter heaven.

I spent years listening to those trapped in my same struggle to feel better about my fornication. It didn’t work for me and it won’t work for others either. Seek out those who are where you want to be. Be filled with joy. Learn everything you can about your particular cross. Bear it with honor and dignity. Every day you remain chaste, you emulate Simon who carried the cross of Jesus. He too had no idea why he had been given the cross. But he carried it anyway. He is honored now for his sacrifice then.
 
I was wondering… what are your viewpoints on a Christian who struggles with homosexuality?

The same as I view anyone. With love and prayer. Maybe extra prayer because it is a huge problem in our society. It is harder to no do something that is acceptable by many in a society just like cigarettes, alcohol and porn IMO.

Is it any different than a Christian who struggles with addictions, pornography, etc.?

Not in my opinion. They are all struggles.

What about a Christian who struggles with it but no longer desires it and wants to become heterosexual? Is that possible with God’s help or is it a lost case? (If that’s the case, thank God for Saint Jude!)

There are many that have and are living good and fulfilling heterosexual live. No case is lost. That is why we have Saint Jude because there is always hope.

Also, will that Christian, if they ask forgiveness from God and repent… will they suffer in purgatory for their actions of the past or will it be forgiven unto them?

God is just. Trust that this is true.

Peace be with you,
~ Brian
God Bless and watch over you and yours.
 
Brian,
There is help available. I will try to get you the website of a man that helps people who suffer from SSA and homosexuality. He was gay but is now straight with a wife and kids. I will post the website if I can find it
Unfortunately, as I have stated before, all these doctors accept no form of insurance and charge exorbitant fees for something that is probably genetic. I choose not to act on my feelings but there is nothing to be done about the feelings for the majority. They should be made to feel like people first.
 
Thank you for saying this. And to Brian, the sooner you realize and accept your homosexuality, the better.
There you go Brian. After much soul searching you asked the question and now you have had a least two posters tell you that you should give in to your sexual urges and sin. In fact they tell you its no sin at all! So what do you beleive? Two thousand years of teachings and intstructions of the Church founded by Jesus Christ OR the opinion of anonymous internet posters who seem very anxious to validate their own actions by convincing you to give into sin .

. You are, BTW, in good company when temtaptaion comes your way and people tell you give in:

Matthew 4

**The Temptation of Jesus **

**1Then Jesus was led by the Spirit into the desert to be tempted by the devil. 2After fasting forty days and forty nights, he was hungry. 3The tempter came to him and said, “If you are the Son of God, tell these stones to become bread.” **

**4Jesus answered, “It is written: 'Man does not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.'a]” **
**5Then the devil took him to the holy city and had him stand on the highest point of the temple. 6"If you are the Son of God," he said, “throw yourself down. For it is written: **
**” 'He will command his angels concerning you, **
**and they will lift you up in their hands, **
so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.’("http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=47&chapter=4&version=31#fen-NIV-23216b")]" **

**7Jesus answered him, “It is also written: 'Do not put the Lord your God to the test.'c]” **

**8Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor. 9"All this I will give you," he said, “if you will bow down and worship me.” **

**10Jesus said to him, “Away from me, Satan! For it is written: 'Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.'d]” **
11Then the devil left him, and angels came and attended him.

You dont have to give into your SSA. To do so would not only put your immortal soul in danger but would start you down the path of a lifetime of guilt, self reproach and disease.

You will be in my prayers.
 
Unfortunately, as I have stated before, all these doctors accept no form of insurance and charge exorbitant fees for something that is probably genetic. I choose not to act on my feelings but there is nothing to be done about the feelings for the majority. They should be made to feel like people first.
Just a slight quibble. SSA may or may not be geneitc-just as alchoholism(which afflicts me) may or may be genetic. To me its irelevant because the urge is there regardless of how it got there. Where I quibble is where you say you “choose” not to act on SSA. I have read enough of your posts to know you “choose” not to act on them becuase you have turned it over to God…I will have 21 years of sobriety next week and will once again be correcting people who want to tell me how *proud *of me they are As always i will politely ttell them they are giving credit to the wrong person. I dont drink only becuase of the Grace of God. He has kept me sober and the moment i cease to acknowledge that i will drinking again.
 
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