Question regarding prayers to Mary and saints

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Mary did the will of God by allowing Jesus to be crucified even though it caused her great pain. It is consistent with Mary’s answer at the Annunciation. Mary also didn’t pray for Jesus to not be crucified so your premise is already flawed.
 
But from this, you can see, it changes over time.
My take on this is what about those Catholics who lived before the change? Were their prayers less important? or if you look at the bigger picture, what about other Christians who dont believe this, are their prayers less important as well?
God showers his grace to everyone, and we may have different methods of going to him to let him know of our request. The only judge, i believe, on whats the right method is God. And I think, the bible did make it clear on how its done, and did encourage believers to “go boldly on the throne of grace” to pray, and not thru any other saints. He also clarified in the bible:
John 14:6
6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

Romans 8:26
Likewise the Spirit helps us in our weakness. For we do not know what to pray for as we ought, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words.

and many many more verses found in the bible who clearly intercedes for us.
 
thanks for the info.

can you please let meknow your source…wanted to read it.
my take on your reply: it may be true for that particular sect, but what about other christians?
another question that might stem from this is
if this is done by catholics(asking prayer from the saints), does it mean other sects (who also believe in Christ death on the Cross for the atonement for sins) who does not do it are wrong?
 
Fantastic answer. Makes a lot of sense to me. In fact, is there anything biblical that carves out saints in the Church Triumphant in terms of intercessory prayer, i.e. only living people can pray for us? Nothing comes to mind off hand.
 
thank you for the verses. Helps me find the sources i can read on.

on Rev 5:6, and Rev 8:3, we should take saint/saints in the context what the bible says about it. Its the believers who are living. As seen in the verses below, so not referring to the dead saints.
Romans 1:7
to all who are beloved of God in Rome, called as saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
1 Corinthians 1:2
To the church of God which is at Corinth, to those who have been sanctified in Christ Jesus, saints by calling, with all who in every place call on the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, their Lord and ours:
 
true, but I could not find any bible verses where we can pray to the dead saints, nor are we commanded either.
 
I agree that they are in communion with God as they are in Heaven with God (thats what we are going to do there, is to glorify God for all eternity)

but where is your proof they can hear prayers of people on earth, and also hear prayers all at one time?
could not find bible verses to back this up.
 
simpleguy, you are saying the same thing over and over, with no sense that you are absorbing what we are telling you. Are you trying to preach to Catholics?
Catholics believe in praying to the saints and to Mary, from ancient times on. We rely on the Bible AND Apostolic Tradition, not the Bible alone. We’ve told you this a number of times. What part of it don’t you understand?
Are you aware that Catholics put the various writings together that make up the Bible?
 
I think someone said this already, but Catholics do not rely solely on the contents of the Bible for all Catholic teaching. We would refer to the current Catholic Catechism instead.
 
Once again you ask the exact same question. And you don’t answer or understand what others are telling you.
 
ok, but what is their basis on saying this? - the ones who made the catechism
You could say they are inspired by God, granting. If we know bible is inspired by God therefore it should not go against the bible, as they are the same author.
as mentioned in
2 Timothy 3:16
All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,

and if we get to add (or speculate) then we get to run the risk of:

Revelation 22:18-19​

18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

what do you think?
 
Your asking for biblical proof is contradicting the statement I just made. Catholics do not rely solely on scripture. We are not Sola scriptura.
 
thank you Limoncello for your reply.

not preaching, just trying to understand and understand your basis for doing it.
Neither is my intention to change your mind, but mainly to see whether such actions will glorify God. Given the answers i got, i cant find a good biblical basis for it.

what I’ve realized in life is that God gave us a great gift, the gift of free will.
but He did not take out the consequences of those actions.
I just want my actions to be guided so that I wont regret the consequences if its not the will of God for me to do it.

thus my question, is asking Mary and the dead saints to pray for us is in accordance to Gods will?

Im very grateful for your patience for answering my questions.
 
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I don’t know if anyone else has posted this, but Jews during Jesus’ time prayed for the dead, so it was an acceptable practice. If it weren’t then Jesus probably would have found that important enough to condemn it in the Gospels, and he did not. See the book of Maccabees for one scriptural example of prayer for the dead. And of course it’s still acceptable now as God is the head of One church, and the body is made up of both those alive on earth and alive in the afterlife. It follows that if we can pray for the dead and it can be effacious, why on earth couldn’t they pray for us and why couldn’t we ask them to? I noticed your OP asks for reasons why we believe as we do so that you can understand, but it seems like you are more interested in why you think you are right?
 
The Bible doesn’t have verses to “back up” many things. There are no verses about the sinfulness of cell phones for example. I can’t find anything about having yellow Labrador retrievers as pets either. Hot dogs aren’t mentioned in the Bible.

Although baseball is in the Bible. No kidding. Genesis 1:1 says, “In the big inning”… Thank you - I’m here all week. Please tip your waitresses and try the calamari.

But seriously folks - I know the Bible encourages intercessory prayer. I also know that the Bible says that after we die - we go to heaven if we’re believers (“I will see you today in paradise”). I also know that Jesus taught us to pray to his Father. The only reason I can think of that asking members of the Church Triumphant to pray for me is a problem is if those members take the place of Christ in my heart, i.e. they become idols. What am I missing?
 
Hi Gingersnaps4,

thank you for your reply. im not here to impose on what i think is right, but what im after is what is Right in Gods sight, thus the questions.
If one replies with a truth claim, then i ask in a sense, what does God say about it, thus asking for proof.
thank you for the maccabees source.
sorry for sounding like a clanging symbal, with what you said “why on earth couldn’t they pray for us and why couldn’t we ask them to”, sorry to ask, where’s is your proof?

why id ask? as mentioned previously, i dont want my prayers going 50/50 chance of getting heard, i want 100% heard. i have a previous post that says about this.
 
Hi TULIPed,

Thank you for the introductory words.
i hear yah…same goes for DNA, computers, facebook, internet and the likes not found in the bible, but existing.
I like the Gen 1:1 =)
 
Thank you for making that assertion.

Given your reply, my opinion on it is that, it will be dangerous to be basing it on peoples thinking and not having a biblical foundation.
This situation happened with the Pharisees during the Jews time. Given the bibles account of them, they were the goto people of the Torah. They have made laws, and actions for the jews to follow, so that they think will glorify God(specially the one that entails new believers to get circumcised), but dont get me wrong, there were good laws and actions as well. But in the end. Christ despised them (Matt 23). Im not judging the cathecism, but as we have the bible, this will be a good measuring stick where the cathecism would stand.

With that in mind, then lets agree to disagree… 😄
 
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