Questioning Vatican II (Edited Title)

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clmowry said:
So are they even still human? Just wondering?

Pick a sentence fragment and draw to many conclusions from it. A frequent pastime amongst Christians it would seem.

Where does the church say that any of the groups you have listed see God to be the “same” as the Triune God of Christianity or that they “are” saved by their religions?

And before we really get into this conversation, do you really want to stick by your position that the God of the Jews was/is “not” the God of Christianity. Is that really the position you want to take?

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Chuck, it happens to be a sentence that I find to be disingenuous. We can agree to disagree.

I was just illustrating my point, which was, I’ll spell it out for you, christians don’t worship “together” with any other religion.

this morning reading ‘The Secret of the Rosary’ by St. Louis De Montfort, page 36;

“We ask here that all the world may learn to know and adore the attributes of our God Who is so great and so holy. We ask that He may be known, loved and adored by pagans, Turks, Jews, barbarians and by all infidels - that all men may serve and glorify Him by a living faith, a staunch hope, a burning charity and by renouncing all erroneous beliefs.”

I leave you to your own mind as to what you chose to believe.
 
“these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God,** mankind’s judge on the last day**.”
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In advance: thanks for the clarification regarding the muslim issue in the CCC.

Though I have one more question.

The bold part is what irks me: it comes to me as though the CCC teaches that the muslims - together with us - adore the Judge on the last day. However, Judgement was given to the Son, the very divine person of the Trinity that Islam rejects.

I’d highly appreciate any clarification for this.

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“these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day.”

The bold part is what irks me: it comes to me as though the CCC teaches that the muslims - together with us - adore the Judge on the last day. However, Judgement was given to the Son, the very divine person of the Trinity that Islam rejects.

I’d highly appreciate any clarification for this.
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The muslims also find this “a problem”.

To them, Jesus IS the one who “does the judging” on the last day, and for us to explicitly equate this “judge” with “the one merciful God” causes some “red flags” to go off.

If I’m wrong on that, I’ll be happy to be educated out of that view. 🙂

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The muslims also find this “a problem”.

To them, Jesus IS the one who “does the judging” on the last day, and for us to explicitly equate this “judge” with “the one merciful God” causes some “red flags” to go off.

If I’m wrong on that, I’ll be happy to be educated out of that view. 🙂

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Does that then not infer an error in the Cathecism?
 
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