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I’ve been away from these forums for a few months, but have recently decided to renew my study of Catholicism. My wife and I have a few questions about one of our sticking points, which is the necessity of confessing sins to a priest.

I’ve decided to frame the issue as follows: the Church, since it has an unbroken line of authority that started with the apostles, is able to consecrate priests to the service of Christ. That gives the priest the authority to mediate the forgiveness of sins through the sacrament of reconciliation. Am I understanding this correctly?

Secondly, the forgiveness seems not to come from the physical act of confession, but in the faith of the believer that leads him to that confession. Genesis 15:6, also quoted in Romans 4:3, states that Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness. So it was in the faith, not the action, that Abraham was called righteous. This also applies to the leper whom Jesus healed, which is detailed in Luke 17:11:19. Does the same logic apply to the confession?

Thanks for your help, everyone.

Dan
 
Wow, deep questions, sorta. Heh.

I just entered the Church myself from a Baptist background, and confession was a “sticking point” for me, too. However, based on Scripture, I know that the Apostles were given the power to confer God’s absolution for sins. Obviously, the true meaning is spiritual, but we have been commanded by Christ to confess them and receive absolution through those who represent Christ here on earth and do what he has commanded.

After you really get into it, you may find, as I have, that it’s not really as scary as it seems… and, in fact, is quite spiritually therapeutic. Which is the idea… which is why it’s a sacrament.

I am 100% sure that someone can explain this better than me, including many of the authors that I’ve read who are converts. I can recommend some books if you haven’t already jumped into those 🙂

-Michael
 
I’ve decided to frame the issue as follows: the Church, since it has an unbroken line of authority that started with the apostles, is able to consecrate priests to the service of Christ. That gives the priest the authority to mediate the forgiveness of sins through the sacrament of reconciliation. Am I understanding this correctly?
Yes. In John 20:21-23, the first thing Christ did with the apostles is to confer this authority. “He breathed on them and said receive the Holy Spirit”. I just love it. The only other place in the Bible that God breathed on man is in Genesis when God breathed into his nostrils and placed man’s soul in him.

Both times, it deals with the soul!

And because of the unbroken line, this authority has been passed down.

You can deny that Scripture says this and say what Christ meant was go and* teach* forgiveness which is what most protestants interpret those passages. You can believe as some others who say that yes, the apostles had the authority but it died with them. Or believe as the Catholic Church does and believe that Christ came to establish a church and authority of God through that same Church.

God Bless,
Maria
 
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djrakowski:
Secondly, the forgiveness seems not to come from the physical act of confession, but in the faith of the believer that leads him to that confession.
It’s not so much the faith of the believer as it is the contrition of the believer, i.e., an inner repentence consisting of a sorrow of soul and a hatred of sin committed, accompanied with a firm purpose of not sinning in the future. The Greek word for this is metanoia.
 
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Catholic2003:
It’s not so much the faith of the believer as it is the contrition of the believer, i.e., an inner repentence consisting of a sorrow of soul and a hatred of sin committed, accompanied with a firm purpose of not sinning in the future. The Greek word for this is metanoia.
Thanks for the clarification. I believe also (and maybe this goes without saying) that faith must precede contrition.
 
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djrakowski:
Thanks for the clarification. I believe also (and maybe this goes without saying) that faith must precede contrition.
I agree.
 
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Catholic2003:
It’s not so much the faith of the believer as it is the contrition of the believer, i.e., an inner repentence consisting of a sorrow of soul and a hatred of sin committed, accompanied with a firm purpose of not sinning in the future. The Greek word for this is metanoia.
That’s exactly right. If you simply go to reconciliation and confess your sins but have no remorse you are not forgiven. You have to be truly sorrowful for you sins and have to make a firm resolve not to commit those sins again.
 
there are many dimensions to the Sacrament of Reconciliation. God’s forgiveness of your sins is only one of those dimensions. it is important to inform our descriptions with the reality of what is happening. all of our descriptions often have a “yes/no” element to them. The Church, in the person of the priest “mediates” forgiveness, “yes”, but also “no”. the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, God Himself forgives your sins, and the Church in no way impedes this. if you imagine Grace to be like water, the priest is like an unrestricted pipe. sometimes by “mediate”, we tend to think that the Church could ‘get in the way’. when it comes to the forgiveness of sins, the priest pronounces out load what God says in silence.

this sacrament is much more than confession/forgiveness. it is a source of sanctifying Grace. as a Catholic, you distinguish between “effective” or “actual” grace and “sanctifying” grace, a distinction that was lost by those Christians that rejected the Church and the Sacraments. sanctifying grace is necessary for the salvation of your soul. this grace is received by a person through participation in the Sacraments. effective grace is the favor of God that a person receives constantly from God through prayer, acts of faith, penance, etc. if you would like scriptural “proof” of this distinction, reflect on the sixth chapter of St. John’s Gospel, where Jesus says that without the Eucharist (one of the seven Sacraments,) you will not receive eternal life. there are also other examples.

the Sacrament of Reconciliation is a source of sanctifying grace. this sacrament is not just to prepare you for eternal life, but also to prepare you for this life. the entire rite consists of an examination of conscience, confession of sins, an act of contrition, an act of reparation, and the absolution from the priest. for all this good ‘work’, the gift of forgiveness is not all you get. you are strengthened to live your life more in tune with the Gospel of Jesus Christ. the priest is there to assist you in all of this. by his questions and guidance, you are taught how to properly examine yourself. by confessing, you are helped to be humble and to face your own human weaknesses. nothing is hidden. your entire person is brought into the light and ‘that which is in the light, becomes the light.’ the priest’s ears and voice are your concrete proof that you are amending your life in ways that a disciple of Christ should. the act of contrition is part of that. on behalf of the Church, he witnesses that you have made the proper vow before God. by receiving penance, you show and promise that change will be brought into action. your action is proof that Christ has strengthened you. without Him, you can do nothing. after witnessing all of this, on behalf of the entire Church, he says the words of absolution. he tells you exactly what is happening. “may God give you” signifies that the priest is not doing the forgiving. “pardon and peace” signifies that this sacrament is not just forgiveness. now that God has done His part, the priest makes it part of the visible world, speaking as Christ, “I absolve you”. for the Church’s part, he is saying ‘if you are right with God, you are welcomed by His Church.’ all of this cannot be understood, without keeping in mind that the Holy Spirit has established the Sacrament, called you to it, and healed you by it. as ‘mediator’, the Church is making visible what the Holy Spirit accomplishes invisibly.
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djrakowski:
Secondly, the forgiveness seems not to come from the physical act of confession, but in the faith of the believer that leads him to that confession. Genesis 15:6, also quoted in Romans 4:3, states that Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness. So it was in the faith, not the action, that Abraham was called righteous. This also applies to the leper whom Jesus healed, which is detailed in Luke 17:11:19. Does the same logic apply to the confession?
no, this is not exactly correct. forgiveness happens when the priest pronounces the words of absolution. all parts of your participation are your acts of faith. those acts give you the disposition to receive forgiveness and grace. what occurs in this Sacrament is not fully described in Scripture. one of the ways to understand this is to consider the divinity of Christ. He has the power to forgive sins. the Gospels describe what is visible. they do not describe Jesus’ invisible access to the person’s heart and the invisible exchange that happens between the person and his/her God. our episodes of using *His *power cannot possibly duplicate that, or ‘look’ like that. the priest’s ordination is real power, the power of the Holy Spirit present in the world. through the Holy Spirit, the priest makes visible (and audible) the Son’s power to forgive sins. by this Sacrament, the Holy Spirit gives what was never available to Abraham.

i hope that helps.
 
I hope you don’t mind if I simply capture a bit of what you’ve written. I’m afraid that, otherwise, the post would be too long.
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JustSomeGuy:
sometimes by “mediate”, we tend to think that the Church could ‘get in the way’.
Actually, that’s not at all what I would think by mediation.

JustSomeGuy said:
“may God give you” signifies that the priest is not doing the forgiving. “pardon and peace” signifies that this sacrament is not just forgiveness. now that God has done His part, the priest makes it part of the visible world, speaking as Christ, “I absolve you”. for the Church’s part, he is saying ‘if you are right with God, you are welcomed by His Church.’

Thank you… this is one of the clearest explanations I’ve read. I was looking for the “may God forgive you” part, and matches almost exactly with my notions about the nature of the forgiveness part of the sacrament.
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JustSomeGuy:
all parts of your participation are your acts of faith. those acts give you the disposition to receive forgiveness and grace.
Just for clarity: would you agree that it is grace, received through faith, that motivates the believer through guilt and contrition, and finally to confession?

Thanks for your help. Really, this explanation has helped me tremendously.

Dan
 
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djrakowski:
I’ve been away from these forums for a few months, but have recently decided to renew my study of Catholicism. My wife and I have a few questions about one of our sticking points, which is the necessity of confessing sins to a priest.

I’ve decided to frame the issue as follows: the Church, since it has an unbroken line of authority that started with the apostles, is able to consecrate priests to the service of Christ. That gives the priest the authority to mediate the forgiveness of sins through the sacrament of reconciliation.
Jesus Christ instituted the sacrament when he entered the room with the apostles and “He breathed on them and said receive the Holy Spirit whosoever sins you forgive, they are forgiven, whose sins you retain they are retained.” John 20:21-23

God Bless.
 
It is grace received through the Holy Spirit, I am positive of this. Here is my story…I am a cradle catholic. Born and raised, attending catholic schools, went to mass everyday except saturday, went to confession weekly and then I was confirmed, I was an adult, I needed no one to tell me my sins were forgiven, I knew!! But did I? I fell and fell hard, I didn’t go to church, Sundays were for recovering from saturday nights. I knew that I should be there but my own stupidity and self righteousness kept me at home. Yet I knew something was missing, slowly I returned to Mass on Sundays, even observed the occasional Holy day. My daughter reached school age and we sent her to Catholic school. I volunteered, made sure she was in Church MOST Sundays, unless of course I had something better to do… fast forward another 20 years and the church I am a member at is being closed, Anger and resentment fill my heart, I am done with this I will not attend a mass again. My mother is a widow and does not drive so she calls me one saturday night and asks me if I will please drive her to church the next morning(I grew up across the street from my church so she could just walk) I was very nervous but ended up taking her. Just so happens that our parish had a newly ordained priest joining our community. The entrance Hymn started and in walked this 28 year old guy, how could this be a priest. He had long dark hair and we all commented on that he looked like Jesus. Oh I had never heard a homily like this before, and I knew at that precise moment that God had sent him to heal me. I have been in that pew every Sunday for the last two years. I have studied,I have started reading the Bible, I am volunteering again, I am doing whatever it is that I can to redeem myself…Yet my Heart is empty. What could it be? His Homily began with a story of when he was a missionary in south America and about the priests that worked the country side everyday from sun up to sun down. Father(he wasn’t then just a college student) became very ill from some strange bacteria. Some one went to the priest and told him that he was sick. The priest came to his hospital room to see for himself and to bring Holy Communion, asking first if father needed to make a confession. His reply was no I don’t need to, but he says if he had died that day he would be in Hell right now, for he had needed to confess. Well I will tell you,that literally it was like he reached out, and pushed me back in that pew, it was physical. The Holy Spirit worked through him that day, to help save me. It took me three months of praying and pushing myself to pick up the phone and call him to make an appointment for confession before Easter, but I did. I am a sinner and I know it. Through the Grace of the Holy Spirit I made my first confession in 25 years this morning. I told father my story about hearing his homily and that is why I was finally there today, he was joyous, asked me how I was feeling about it, I told him I was amazingly calm, THAT FOLKS IS THE HOLY SPIRIT WORKING! Ask and it shall be given.What an amazing thing reconcilliation is, I have been absolved and I am a brand new person in Christ today. I urge you, follow your heart and go to confession, I have nothing else to compare this feeling to except pure and complete love. God’s love. I will pray for you and your wife, that the Holy Spirit will strengthen you and make you courageous, that is part of my penance. God Bless and a Happy and Blessed Easter to you. Thanks for letting me share
 
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maryj:
It is grace received through the Holy Spirit, I am positive of this. Here is my story…
May God reward your generosity in sharing your little miracle with us!
 
i am glad you found things helpful.
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djrakowski:
Just for clarity: would you agree that it is grace, received through faith, that motivates the believer through guilt and contrition, and finally to confession?
well, i would agree, first, that the economy of Grace is complicated and is a discussion of the mystery of God Himself. after that, we have to recognize our limitations. even if you or i cannot adequately give an accounting of the particulars, we can’t let that investigation prevent our actual doing of the work we need to do for the salvation of souls.

when we speak of grace, we speak of God. it is often called the “Life of God.” during the lifetime of a person, he/she is in constant ‘dialogue’ with God. the only part that doesn’t always work very well is the hearing and the speaking on the part of the person. God always speaks his part, and speaks it well.

this ‘dialogue’, the covenant between a person and God, is never initiated by the person. the “Life of God” is the Love of God, and as St. John says ‘He loved us first.’ but because our free will, grace is always an exchange. if i am free (an unretractable, indelible gift from God,) who is God to make me holy if i don’t want to be? by our very creation, out of love, God humbled and restrained Himself, and gave Himself no right to do such a thing. though He began the gift of Himself, it is you and i who must permit it to continue and grow. we put our response, which continues our intimate relationship with Him, into the broad category of ‘faith.’ its beginning and continued growth are a gift from God. the exchange between God and a person is sometimes better, sometimes worse. it exists for everyone by virtue of creation.

but that gift is not enough. Jesus says, “come to Me and drink.” drinking the Living Water (receiving sanctifying grace) is the reason God initiated the gift in the first place. we have eternal life only through Christ. our Father deeply wants to give that the gift of eternal life through His Son.

our call to holiness is identical to our call to the Sacraments. it is the call to sanctifying grace. that “call” occurs through God’s initial gift of “actual” grace to us. were it not for Him, we would not know what we ‘hunger and thirst’ for, or where to satisfy it.

Jesus asks us not to condemn others; we have to be careful not to condemn ourselves either. He asks us for contrition, but He doesn’t dictate what kind or how much. if on one day, my contrition consists of knowing that i shouldn’t have done something, fine. if on another day, i am deeply moved by the effect my sins had on others, that’s fine too. who am i to say that one is enough and the other is not. the point is to go and “drink.” without doing that we will never come to perfect contrition. God does whatever works. some days He’ll do a lot, some days just a little. whatever works.

so in short, yes, i think grace does all this.
 
posted by maryj
Through the Grace of the Holy Spirit I made my first confession in 25 years this morning. I told father my story about hearing his homily and that is why I was finally there today, he was joyous, asked me how I was feeling about it, I told him I was amazingly calm, THAT FOLKS IS THE HOLY SPIRIT WORKING! Ask and it shall be given.What an amazing thing reconcilliation is,** I have been absolved and I am a brand new person in Christ today. I urge you, follow your heart and go to confession, I have nothing else to compare this feeling to except pure and complete love. God’s love**. I will pray for you and your wife, that the Holy Spirit will strengthen you and make you courageous, that is part of my penance. God Bless and a Happy and Blessed Easter to you. Thanks for letting me share
:blessyou: and :amen:
 
Maryj - I am going to my first reconcilation in 13 years tonight. I have finally been blessed with the courage to face my fear of going and confessing. Yes, I am a cradle Catholic too, fell away, came back 10 years ago but have just been going through the motions. I am praying that this big step (for me at least) that I am making tonight will keep me going on the correct path. I was so happy to hear your story and pray that I may follow suit! Now if I can lead my husband by example! Thank you for sharing!!
 
movingmom, you shall be blessed beyond belief, I am free of guilt for the first time in 25 years.Do not be afraid He is with you always. I’ll receive Communion on Thursday, I’m sure I will cry, tears of Joy and celebration. You go girl, give it up!!!
 
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djrakowski:
I’ve been away from these forums for a few months, but have recently decided to renew my study of Catholicism. My wife and I have a few questions about one of our sticking points, which is the necessity of confessing sins to a priest.

I’ve decided to frame the issue as follows: the Church, since it has an unbroken line of authority that started with the apostles, is able to consecrate priests to the service of Christ. That gives the priest the authority to mediate the forgiveness of sins through the sacrament of reconciliation. Am I understanding this correctly?

Secondly, the forgiveness seems not to come from the physical act of confession, but in the faith of the believer that leads him to that confession. Genesis 15:6, also quoted in Romans 4:3, states that Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness. So it was in the faith, not the action, that Abraham was called righteous. This also applies to the leper whom Jesus healed, which is detailed in Luke 17:11:19. Does the same logic apply to the confession?

Thanks for your help, everyone.

Dan
It all sounds good to me. If you are truely sorry for your sins, then you are forgiven, as soon as you feel this true contrition. This contrition is what brings you to confession to confess your sins.
 
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djrakowski:
Secondly, the forgiveness seems not to come from the physical act of confession, but in the faith of the believer that leads him to that confession. Genesis 15:6, also quoted in Romans 4:3, states that Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness. So it was in the faith, not the action, that Abraham was called righteous. This also applies to the leper whom Jesus healed, which is detailed in Luke 17:11:19. Does the same logic apply to the confession?

Thanks for your help, everyone.

Dan
the words, actions and physical signs of the sacraments are efficacious, that is, together used by the appointed minister with the intent to effect what the Church intends, they cause to occur that which they signify. Their effect is not dependent on the faith of the recipient, although that is part of his proper disposition for the sacrament. Those Jesus healed and forgave were healed and forgiven because of His words and actions, which incorporated physical signs: use of bread and wine, laying on of hands etc. Their faith disposed them to request the healing or forgiveness and to be receptive and thankful for the graces received, but Jesus’ actions were not dependent on their faith. Those who did not believe, such as those at Nazareth his home town, could not request and therefore could not benefit from his actions.
 
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maryj:
I urge you, follow your heart and go to confession, I have nothing else to compare this feeling to except pure and complete love. God’s love. I will pray for you and your wife, that the Holy Spirit will strengthen you and make you courageous, that is part of my penance. God Bless and a Happy and Blessed Easter to you. Thanks for letting me share
maryj, thank you so much for sharing this. I’m really moved to further study of all the sacraments now (any suggestions for book and other materials is appreciated). We don’t come from a highly sacramental tradition, and I’m beginning to see how much we’re missing.

I’m really thankful to everyone who’s responded!

Dan
 
Dan, Pick up the new American Bible, read and read and read, Pick up a copy of the cathecism My daughter has some great books from her CYA classes,follow these forums they are a great wealth of information, go back to the home page and start going through the articles in This Rock, read, pray, read,pray. Make an appointment to talk with a local Priest, they are so willing to be spiritual counselors, I don’t know what I would have done if not for our Father here at our Parish. Get in a church and get to Mass, don’t be afraid, God is calling you!!I shall continue to hold you in my prayers (like I said it will be part of my penance! Praying to bring one of His sheep back to Him!) Ask and it shall be given, knock and it shall be opened. God Bless you and keep you close. Have an outstanding day,and remember someone is praying for you!
 
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