Questions about evolution and origins

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lelinator said:
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Bradskii:
Red pill or blue?
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I don’t need no stinking pill, my insanity is completely natural.

I think it is anyway…hmmmmm
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They don’t cure insanity. It’s that the red pill will allow you to meet with the rest of us who understand reality as it actually is.
 
Bradskii said:
You don’t think that religions would have to drastically rearrange their relationship with whatever god in which they believed?

It might be interesting to discuss the Catholic line on morality with an intelligent insect from another galaxy.
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Why would they necessarily need to? Is it not possible that the fundamental truths are the same even if geographic details and names of prophets and other location specific items are different?

And assuming that I grew enough that being face to face with an intelligent insect didn’t trigger my fight or flight response, it could be a very interesting discussion.
 
Here you go, trying to add faith/Divine Revelation to a ‘purely’ scientific discussion as I would 🙂
 
Be wary of those who criticize ID because they think it makes God look like a tinkerer.
 
How poetic and spiritual! And I agree. I believe religion may give us a small piece of the puzzle but surely not the whole puzzle, if there is a whole puzzle. For that, we need to use our own minds and intellect, and even then we are, at present, sorely lacking. Still, we are motivated to solve the whole puzzle by whatever means we can: reason, logic, thought, meditation, faith, prayer, religion, hope, love, spirituality, poetry, mystery, awe, science, fantasy, imagination, creativity, action, “ivresse” in the Baudelairean sense. Astrophysicists are just at the beginning of their quest and are already discovering extra pieces of the puzzle.

And, by the way, the Torah allows for all of this!
 
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Bradskii said:
Once you take it, there’s no going back. And no need for another. It’s a once-only offer.
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But once I take the red pill, and discover this “actual” reality. How do I know that it’s “THE” actual reality. Perhaps I’ll need to take another red pill to discover its “actual” reality, and on…and on.

Perhaps the mind will always be able create something to fill the void. And the same may be true of galaxies and universes. The mind will always be able to create something to fill the void. Until it reaches an impossibility, a barrier beyond which it cannot logically create anything else. Because to do so would be inconsistent with what it has already created.

Just thinking out loud.
 
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whatistrue said:
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Bradskii:
You don’t think that religions would have to drastically rearrange their relationship with whatever god in which they believed?

It might be interesting to discuss the Catholic line on morality with an intelligent insect from another galaxy.
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Why would they necessarily need to? Is it not possible that the fundamental truths are the same even if geographic details and names of prophets and other location specific items are different?
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The fundamental truths as they apply to you would not align with those of a sentient insect. The reality would not be akin to a Star Trek episode where all the aliens are humanoid with bits added.

Human evolution has resulted in us. And has resulted in a lot of the ways we think about things. Obviously. It’s what works for us. What would work for any other creature on this planet would be completely different. Let alone totally alien life.

They would only have to be two weeks more advanced than us on that cosmic scale mentioned earlier and it would be like us talking to insects.
 
Very true, and this reveals the wonder and beauty of the universe, or multiverse!
 
lelinator said:
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Bradskii:
Once you take it, there’s no going back. And no need for another. It’s a once-only offer.
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But once I take the red pill, and discover this “actual” reality. How do I know that it’s “THE” actual reality.
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A big clue is that it wouldn’t be one you would actually choose. It’s ugly and messy. Why would someone ‘invent’ a reality in which you would not choose to live?

I am one of the monstrously tiny fraction of a small percent of people who have ever lived who have not died in agony, have not lived day to day, have not died young, have not lived with hunger and fear, who have not had to fight in any war, have not had to kill, have not seen their loved ones taken from them, have not lived in ignorance…the list could go on all night.

And some people have the temerity to say that this was all planned for us. This may well BE the hell that is talked about. Maybe we’re all there already. It certainly doesn’t seem like a garden of eden to me.

Oh. Sorry. As you were. I forgot about the fall. Silly me.
 
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