Questions about Islam.

[Sam_777]

I have some questions for my fellow Muslims, I hope they answer them logically:

1. Islam is saying that the Bible was altered, if I agree with you, then what do you think are the reasons of the Jews & Christians for doing such thing!.
2. Why we would believe someone after 600 years telling us that the previous book which has been for a very long time and has many followers was altered, and at the same time we don’t believe Jesus when he said that there will be false prophets to come after him before 600 years of Islam!
3. Jesus & John the Baptist came in the same period, if Jesus was a normal prophet as we claim, then why is this duplication!, shouldn’t John the Baptist be enough to do what Jesus did, why God sent two at the same time, shouldn’t that indicates to us that Jesus had a special mission on earth!.
4. Jesus did not sin at all (according to the Bible & Islam), shouldn’t that be a sign of perfection, and shouldn’t that perfection indicates that he is Lord.
5. The name of Muhammad’s father was “Abd-Allah”, and his grandfather name was “Abd-Almuttalib”, which mean “slave of Allah” & “slave of Almuttalib” respectively, both men were before Islam, and both were living near the 360 idols at Kaaba in Mecca, that means the name “Allah” was there before Islam, where did this name come from!

 

[inJESUS]

I have some questions for my fellow Muslims, I hope they answer them logically:

1. Islam is saying that the Bible was altered,

 

[Sister_Amy]

I have some questions for my fellow Muslims, I hope they answer them logically:

1. Islam is saying that the Bible was altered, if I agree with you, then what do you think are the reasons of the Jews & Christians for doing such thing!.

Afraid I don’t understand the question.

1. Why we would believe someone after 600 years telling us that the previous book which has been for a very long time and has many followers was altered, and at the same time we don’t believe Jesus when he said that there will be false prophets to come after him before 600 years of Islam!

Because for 600 years people worshiped a man.

1. Jesus & John the Baptist came in the same period, if Jesus was a normal prophet as we claim, then why is this duplication!, shouldn’t John the Baptist be enough to do what Jesus did, why God sent two at the same time, shouldn’t that indicates to us that Jesus had a special mission on earth!.

Eh? Didn’t God send Moses and Aaron at the same time? And in fact Shu’aib was sent at the same time as Moses as well, but to a different people (Madyan.) Two prophets at the same time doesn’t mean one of them is divine.

1. Jesus did not sin at all (according to the Bible & Islam), shouldn’t that be a sign of perfection, and shouldn’t that perfection indicates that he is Lord.

Why? Where is that rule written? Did Mary sin? If so, what was her sin? If she did not sin, does that make her Lord? Make her perfect? Divine?

1. The name of Muhammad’s father was “Abd-Allah”, and his grandfather name was “Abd-Almuttalib”, which mean “slave of Allah” & “slave of Almuttalib” respectively, both men were before Islam, and both were living near the 360 idols at Kaaba in Mecca, that means the name “Allah” was there before Islam, where did this name come from!

Of course the name “Allah” was there before Islam. Even if someone would ask the Arabs at the time of Muhammad, who created the Universe, they would say it was Allah, they just worshiped other things besides God.

Where does the name “Allah” come from? Don’t you see the resemblance to the Hebrew name “Eloah?” It is the name of the One True God–I wouldn’t expect for Muhammad to start calling people to worship a new god, but only the Same One True God, Allah.

 

[morning_star777]

sister kathy hope you know that pre islami pagans also worshiped allah.so if it came from hebrew eloha then why the pagans worshiped 360 god?why they didn’t worship eloha?and anyway if before islam 600 year ppl worship a man as god then its clear that jesus claimed that he is son of god.cuz muhamma got his prohetship at 610ad.and if ppl worship jesus 600 year before islam then from the begining they worshiped jesus.&didn’t your words prove it?

 

[morning_star777]

i made a mistake.i wrote sister kathy in my reply but it must be sister amy.sorry for my mistake

 

[inJESUS]

Am afraid we should not argue about the origin of the name Allah. Muhammad arabized all Biblical names, including the name Allah.

Sister Amy, if for 600 years people worshipped a man , should Allah send another prophet after Muhammad because Alawi believe Ali is the incarnation of God? or because Shia and Sunni have opposite teachings? or because Druze deviated from Islam? or because Jesus did not return in the person of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad? what do you think?

 

[Sam_777]

Islam, not the Quran, don’t you agree? .

All Islam claiming that, from Quran & Hadith to Islamic lectures.

Quran:
(Quran 5:41):
"O Apostle! let not those grieve thee, who race each other into Unbelief: (whether it be) among those who say “We believe” with their lips but whose hearts have no faith; or it be among the Jews, - men who will listen to any lie, - will listen even to others who have never so much as come to thee. They change the words from their (right) times and places: they say, "If ye are given this, take it, but if not, beware! “If anyone’s trial is intended by Allah, thou hast no authority in the least for him against Allah. For such, it is not Allah’s will to purify their hearts. For them there is disgrace in this world, and in the Hereafter a heavy punishment.”

Hadith:
Sahih Bukhari, Book 93, Volume 9, Number 614:
" Narrated 'Ubaidullah bin 'Abdullah:
'Abdullah bin 'Abbas said, "O the group of Muslims! How can you ask the people of the Scriptures about anything while your Book which Allah has revealed to your Prophet contains the most recent news from Allah and is pure and not distorted? Allah has told you that the people of the Scriptures have changed some of Allah’s Books and distorted it and wrote something with their own hands and said, 'This is from Allah, so as to have a minor gain for it. Won’t the knowledge that has come to you stop you from asking them? No, by Allah, we have never seen a man from them asking you about that (the Book Al-Qur’an ) which has been revealed to you. "

Scholars lectures:
ebnmaryam.com/alta7reef2/alta7reef2.htm

 

[Sam_777]

Afraid I don’t understand the question.

Why the Jews & Christians had to alter the Bible, what do you think they wanted to remove or add?

Because for 600 years people worshiped a man.

But that doesn’t give us the excuse to neglect Jesus words about false prophets, beside Hinduism worshiping the cow, did God send them someone special!

Eh? Didn’t God send Moses and Aaron at the same time?

From my understanding to the (Exodus 4:10-17), Aaron wasn’t part of the plan, but only after Moses told God to send someone else, as seen below:

“10 Moses said to the LORD, “O Lord, I have never been eloquent, neither in the past nor since you have spoken to your servant. I am slow of speech and tongue.” 11 The LORD said to him, “Who gave man his mouth? Who makes him deaf or mute? Who gives him sight or makes him blind? Is it not I, the LORD ? 12 Now go; I will help you speak and will teach you what to say.”
13 But Moses said, “O Lord, please send someone else to do it.” 14 Then the LORD’s anger burned against Moses and he said, "What about your brother, Aaron the Levite? I know he can speak well. He is already on his way to meet you, and his heart will be glad when he sees you. 15 You shall speak to him and put words in his mouth; I will help both of you speak and will teach you what to do. 16 He will speak to the people for you, and it will be as if he were your mouth and as if you were God to him. 17 But take this staff in your hand so you can perform miraculous signs with it.” (Exodus 4:10-17).

So I consider Aaeon to be some sort of minister of Moses and not a prophet.

And in fact Shu’aib was sent at the same time as Moses as well, but to a different people (Madyan.) Two prophets at the same time doesn’t mean one of them is divine.

If you mean Jethro, the priest of Midian who Moses married his daughter Zipporah, then from the Bible below, it indicates that he was already a priest before Moses becomes a prophet:

“Now Moses was tending the flock of Jethro his father-in-law, the priest of Midian, and he led the flock to the far side of the desert and came to Horeb, the mountain of God. 2 There the angel of the LORD appeared to him in flames of fire from within a bush. Moses saw that though the bush was on fire it did not burn up.” (Exodus 3:1-2).

Now Jesus & John the Baptist were born within a year, and John considered to be the forerunner of Jesus, came to fulfill the prophecies in (Isaiah 40:3-5), (Luke 1:17), (Luke 1:76-77), (Malachi 3:1), (John 1:23), to prepare the way for Jesus who came to provide salvation and reconciliation with God the Most High.

Where does the name “Allah” come from? Don’t you see the resemblance to the Hebrew name “Eloah?” It is the name of the One True God–I wouldn’t expect for Muhammad to start calling people to worship a new god, but only the Same One True God, Allah.

I hope what you are saying is true, and the claims in the following links are wrong:
biblebelievers.org.au/islam.htm
faithfreedom.org/Articles/skm30804.htm

 

[Angelos]

I have some questions for my fellow Muslims, I hope they answer them logically:

1. Jesus & John the Baptist came in the same period, if Jesus was a normal prophet as we claim, then why is this duplication!, shouldn’t John the Baptist be enough to do what Jesus did, why God sent two at the same time, shouldn’t that indicates to us that Jesus had a special mission on earth!.

That is a very good point indeed! The scribes of the Koran turned one of the great prophets named John (the baptist) into a mute and passive figure in order to single Jesus out as the only mighty prophet of His time! Accordingly, the writers of the Koran never allowed John to preach the divine message and testify to Jesus although they had adopted from the Gospels the purely Christian belief that John was Jesus’ precursor and been sent as a witness. Thus, they aimed to present Jesus as the only messenger of His time, which prevented the fulfillment of an important prophecy in the Koran.

 

[Sister_Amy]

Here’s a thought. When I actually have questions about Islam, I don’t ask them on a Catholic forum. I don’t go ask Catholics to teach me about Islam because they don’t know. And I don’t know to Muslims to teach me about Catholicism.

If someone here really wants to know about Islam, they should go to Muslims, and ask the Muslims.

Posting them here where only 1 or 2 people can reply to the questions of a dozen doesn’t make too much sense, if someone really wanted the answers.

 

[morning_star777]

actually sister amy i was a muslim just before 3 months.i told many time that i became christian secretly.so i know many thing about islam.but if you will ask me for any reference then maybe i wont be able to give it so hurry cuz quran is a large book&i am not a hafij.anyway i just want to say that i have all hadith books also.so catholics may not know about islam properly atleast you can claim that.but i know though my knowledge is few.

 

[Sister_Amy]

actually sister amy i was a muslim just before 3 months.i told many time that i became christian secretly.so i know many thing about islam.but if you will ask me for any reference then maybe i wont be able to give it so hurry cuz quran is a large book&i am not a hafij.anyway i just want to say that i have all hadith books also.so catholics may not know about islam properly atleast you can claim that.but i know though my knowledge is few.

Is it so hard to understand me?

According to the Catholics on this board, all you have to do is convert out of Islam in order to be an expert on Islam!!

By that same justification, I who have converted out of Christianity ought to be an expert on Christianity!!

But in fact I am telling you that ex-Muslims are not a source for understanding Islam, but that you should ask Muslims. And likewise, I shouldn’t go to Muslims to learn about Christianity.

 

[inJESUS]

Amy, some people do not want to join Islamic forums and they take advantage of the existence on Muslims on their forums to ask questions. And since you know many things that average muslims do not know (as you hint, if not mistaken), then you are a good candidate .

I’d appreciate it if you answer me whther some new prophet should be sent to correct the Alawi and Druze and Ahmadiyya.

 

[AntePavelic]

The Qur’an explicitly denies that Jesus was crucified. It claims that the Jews became so confused that they crucified somebody else instead who had the likeness of Christ. It is recorded in the Qur’an 4:15,

“They slew him not nor crucified but it appeared so unto them.”

In his commentary on this verse al-Baydawi said (p. 135),

“A group of Jews cursed Christ and his mother. He invoked evil on them and, may He be exalted, turned them into monkeys and swine. The Jews gathered together to kill him, but God, may He be exalted, informed him (Jesus) that He was going to lift him up to heaven. Thus, (Jesus) said to his companions, `Who would like to have my likeness cast on him and be killed and crucified, then enter the paradise?’ One of them volunteered (to do so) and God cast on him Christ’s likeness. He was then arrested, crucified and killed. It is also said that (the crucified one) was a traitor who went with the mob to guide them to Christ (he meant Judas), thus God cast on him the likeness of Jesus and he was arrested, crucified and killed.”

Al- Baydawi is not the only one who records these mystical stories, but all Muslim scholars who attempt to interpret the above verse, plainly state that Jesus was not crucified. The Qur’an has ignored not only the records of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John and the rest of the New Testament, but also all the other chroniclers. It ignores the history of the Roman Empire which documented that a Jewish man by the name of Jesus was crucified during the time of Pilate the Pontius, the Roman Governor who gave way to the demands of the chief priests of the Jews.

It is well known that Christ’s trial took place in front of the chief priests and the Roman Governor. It is also common knowledge that the arrested man did not remonstrate and say, “I am not Christ, I am Judas who wanted to betray Him and give Him away to you.” All Jesus’ words on the cross denote that He was Christ, especially His statement, “Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they do” (Luke 23:34).

Jesus Himself told His disciples that He must be delivered to the chief priests and be crucified, then He would rise from the dead on the third day. Christ Himself foretold that and the crucifixion was fulfilled according to the many prophecies recorded in the Old Testament which predicted His crucifixion centuries before. Christ came to accomplish God’s plan for man’s salvation.

Therefore, it is not reasonable that six hundred years after Christ’s crucifixion, a man should appear and declare to the world (ignoring all the historical evidence) that the one who was crucified was not Christ. This is similar to a man who comes hundreds of years from now to tell us that the one who was assassinated in the twentieth century was not Martin Luther King (or John F. Kennedy or Zia al-Haqq) but rather someone else who looked like him. Of course, nobody would believe him, even if he claimed that the angel Gabriel (or the thunder angel) revealed it to him.

 

[AntePavelic]

The Virgin Mary

In many places, the Qur’an mentions Mary as the sister of Moses and Aaron and the daughter of Imran. The Qur’an has confused Jesus’ mother with Aaron’s sister because both of them carry the same name, though there are several centuries between them. The Qur’an indicates that Mary (Christ’s mother) had a brother whose name was Aaron (chapter 19:28) and a father whose name is Imran (chapter 66:12). Their mother was called “the wife of Imran” (chapter 3:35) which eliminates any doubt that it confuses Mary, mother of Jesus, with Mary, sister of Aaron.

Muslim scholars acknowledge what happened and they are confused and fail in their desperate attempts to justify this grave error. Their contradictory interpretations fail to help them to find a solution to this dilemma. Let us examine these interpretations to see these conflicting views.

In the context of his comment on the Qur’anic statement that Mary is Aaron’s sister (which is recorded in chapter 19:28), al-Baydawi (p. 405) said,

“Oh, sister of Aaron (the prophet). And she was an offspring of some of those who were with him who belonged to the same class of brotherhood. It was also said that she was one of Aaron’s descendants though there were a thousand years between them. It was said too, that he (Aaron) was a righteous or a wicked man who lived during their time (time of Mary). They likened her to him to ridicule her or to insult her.”

Yet Baydawi’s statement is repealed by the Qur’an because the Qur’an did not refer to a moral relationship but stressed the literal meaning. If the Qur’an had meant to elevate Mary to the same level of Aaron, the prophet, or to the status of a daughter of Imran, why then did it mention that her mother was the wife of Imran as it is recorded in chapter 3:35? It is very obvious that the matter was either confused in the mind of Muhammad or of Gabriel, the angel! It is not acceptable that the Qur’an intended to say that Mary enjoys the same status as a sister of Aaron and a daughter of Imran. Therefore it is impossible to treat Mary (the mother of Jesus) as if she were the sister of Aaron and Moses.

The contemporary scholar who translated the Qur’an which was authorized by the Saudi authorities said (in the introduction of page 47 of chapter of the Family of Imran),

“Al Imran takes its title from v. 32, where the family of Imran' (the father of Moses) occurs as a generic name for all the Hebrew prophets from Moses to John the Baptist and Jesus Christ. This with the mention of the mother of Mary as the wife of Imran’ (v. 34) and the words sister of Aaron' addressed to Mary (XIX.28) have given rise to a charge of anachronism. Some say that the prophet confused Mary, the mother of Jesus, with Mary, the sister of Moses. Most Muslims believe (on the authority of the Qur'an) that the grandfather of Jesus Christ was named Imran’ which may also have been the name of the father of Moses. In Surah XIX 28 where Mary is addressed as `sister of Aaron’, they hold the ancestral sense to be the more probable, while denying that there is any reason to suppose that the virgin Mary had not a brother named Aaron.”

Thus, they fail to explain to us why the Qur’an said that the mother of Mary was the wife of Imran, especially if the Qur’an intended (as they say) to show the moral relationship only. It is an obvious historical mistake, my dear reader, because Mary had no brother named Aaron.

 

[AntePavelic]

Alexander the Great

It is amazing to see the Qur’an talking about Alexander the Great as if he were a righteous man and a teacher, though it is well-known that the Greek, Alexander, was idolatrous and claimed to be the son of Amun, the God of Egypt. If the reader wonders where it is recorded in the Qur’an that Alexander was a righteous man, we would refer him to the chapter of the Cave 18:83-98 where we encounter sixteen verses which talk about this military general. These verses explicitly say that God assisted him, guided him and removed all obstacles from his way in order that he could accomplish his plans and fulfill his desires. They indicate that Alexander was the one who reached the place of the sunset and found it set down in a well of water and mud. They claim that he encountered some people and God gave him the option to torment them, to kill them or to take them captive, call them to the faith and to lead them in a straight path.

These comments are expressed by all the scholars without any exception (refer to Baydawi, p. 399, al-Jalalan, p. 251, al-Tabari, p. 339, al-Zamakhshari, part 2 of al-Kash-shaf, p. 743). If we do not refer to these great expounders of the Qur’an to whom, then, shall we refer? The Greek Alexander was not a righteous servant of God as the Qur’an said, but he was a licentious, belligerent, idolatrous man. He did not have any relationship with God and God never asked him to guide people and to teach them the faith.

Other Historical Errors

Does the reader believe that Abraham did not offer Isaac, but Ishmael, as a sacrifice? This is what all Muslim scholars say. Do you know that the Qur’an claims that Haman was pharaoh’s prime minister even though Haman lived in Babylon one thousand years later? Yet the Qur’an says so. The Qur’an says that the one who picked Moses from the river was not his sister but his mother (28:6-8), and that a Samaritan was the one who molded the golden calf for the children of Israel and misguided them, and the golden calf was lowing (refer to chapter 20:85-88) though it is well-known that Samaria was not in existence at that time. The Samaritans came after the Babylonian exile. How could one of them have made the golden calf for the people of Israel?

Concerning the birth of Christ, the Qur’an teaches that the Virgin Mary gave birth to him under the shade of a palm tree and not in a manger of sheep (refer to Mary 19:23). The Qur’an ignores all the documented historical evidence available to all people across the ages and brings us new discoveries!

The Qur’an claims (Chapter 2:125-127) that Abraham and Ishmael, his son, are the ones who built The Ka’ba in Mecca in Saudi Arabia. The late Dr. Taha Husayn (the most famous professor of Arabic literature in Egypt) acknowledges that the information recorded in the Qur’an pertaining to the construction of Ka’ba at the hand of Abraham and Ishmael is not historically documented. He said:

“The case of this episode is very obvious because it is of recent date and came into vogue just before the rise of Islam. Islam exploited it for religious reasons” (quoted in Mizan al-Islam by Anwar al-Jundi, p. 170).

This declaration invoked the rage of the Muslim scholars against him. The former president of Tunisia did the same thing when he stated that the Qur’an contains mythical stories. Muslim scholars revolted against him and threatened to kill him because these are Muhammad’s orders - kill anybody who insults the Qur’an. So what could Taha Husayn or Abu Ruqayba [better known in the West as Bourgiba] (or we) do if the Qur’an rejects the most scientifically documented historical stories? Are we supposed to shut up our mouth and close our minds lest we be killed?

 

[dolphinlove]

Here’s a thought. When I actually have questions about Islam, I don’t ask them on a Catholic forum. I don’t go ask Catholics to teach me about Islam because they don’t know. And I don’t know to Muslims to teach me about Catholicism.

If someone here really wants to know about Islam, they should go to Muslims, and ask the Muslims.

Posting them here where only 1 or 2 people can reply to the questions of a dozen doesn’t make too much sense, if someone really wanted the answers.

Amy,
I think i would rely on the ex muslims for a few good reasons.

1. They have obviously done a fair amount of research on Islam, especially at the time they had many questions about their faith.
2. They would have studies and crossed studied many of the hadiths with the quran, yet pointing out their knowledge would be plentiful.
3. Their studies into Christianity, they have a great knowledge of Christianity as well, since they have converted to their new faith.
4. They can cross examine both religions and come to a logical conclusion on what the truth is.
5. One thing i share in common with them is, they know Jesus had called them to the truth, and they listened.

I think these few points can justify why we listen to them, they have studied and examine both religions, and therefore i think would be a wealth of information on both. I just dont think you like us asking the questions too them because they can shed light on the truth of what Islam is. Esp now that they are Christians, they are not allowed to lie to save face for their religion. (thats not having a go at you, but its been proven that its a fact even by other muslims on this site).
I think its fair we asked them advice on both religions since they are knowledgeable on both, dont you agree?

Also, planten has attempted to tell us on how to use the hadith and quran in earlier posts, i dont like it when people tell me who to ask, what to ask etc etc. I think this is a great sign of weakness and an excuse to hide the truth.

 

[morning_star777]

sister amy i never claimed that he who leaved islam became of expert about islam.or who leaved christianity they r also not the expert of christianity.i agree wit u.but i just wanted to tell in my reply that i know something about islam.islami society behaved with me like beast&made me atheist totally.then i read some islami scripture just to find their fault cuz i had horrible experience in my childhood wit islam.&i am not an expert about islam.

 

[Sam_777]

Here’s a thought. When I actually have questions about Islam, I don’t ask them on a Catholic forum. I don’t go ask Catholics to teach me about Islam because they don’t know. And I don’t know to Muslims to teach me about Catholicism. .

Do thing asking such questions at Islamic forums would bring any results, they would do one of these three things:

1. Answering with this (Quran 05:101).
   “O ye who believe! ask not questions about things which, if made plain to you, may cause you trouble. But if ye ask about things when the Qur-an is being revealed, they will be made plain to you, Allah will forgive those: for Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Forbearing.”:hypno:
2. Ban the user.
3. Report the user’s IP to the authority.

 

[morning_star777]

brother sam pls don’t show anger.if you want to win the fight then you should be cool always.me and you both are ex muslim and we know that muslims try to be cleaver but if you will fight them with logic and show them reall error of quran then they will lose.but brother be carefull it’s not easy to win.cuz both side can give logic.so just fight with them with logic and cool brain.jesus bless all of us