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Let me start by saying…I ask this question to learn and understand…not to bash, spew filth or anything else!!

**My question is this, Jesus is quoted as saying: “***I am the way, the truth, and the life: and no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.” --John 14:6. ***Okay, Muslims believe and admitt that Jesus was a true Prophet of God, in that a True Prophet cannot lie because the Prophet only speaks what he receives from The Father. This is Jesus saying this…not something made up by Christians. **With that being the case…what is the Qur’an’s/ Muslims take on this passage of scripture?

 
In The Name of Allah the Most Gracious Most Merciful

Hello Karin, first as Muslims we are not really sure if Jesus peace be upon him said this. However it doesn’t seem to contradict what other Prophets taught. All Prophets preached to their people and told them that the only way to get to God or His pleasure is by following them. In Islam in order for a deed to be accepted it must have two conditions: 1) that it is sincere for the sake of God 2) that it be according to the way the Prophet peace be upon him did it.

Therefore we as Muslims interpret this verse to mean that anyone in the time of Jesus peace be upon him who looked for a different way of entering heaven, it wouldn’t work. For example if someone who was alive in the time of Jesus peace be upon him decided to follow the laws of Moses or Ibrahim it won’t be accepted, because the law that Jesus peace be upon him would abrogate their laws. Please notice that I am saying laws and not beliefs, because all Prophets have the same beliefs. That is there is no diety worthy of worship except Allah. There is also a verse in the Quran that carries a similar meaning to the verse you quoted but in reference to the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him.

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Say: “If ye do love Allah, Follow me: Allah will love you and forgive you your sins: For Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.”

I hope I answered your question. If not please feel free to ask for further explanation. You can also visit the WhyIslam forum where there are a lot more Muslims than there is here. They will be more than happy to answer all of your questions.

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Emad-
Thank you for taking the time to reply to this thread. Just a few questions…see below.
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Emad:
In The Name of Allah the Most Gracious Most Merciful

Hello Karin, first as Muslims we are not really sure if Jesus peace be upon him said this. WHY??? However it doesn’t seem to contradict what other Prophets taught. All Prophets preached to their people and told them that the only way to get to God or His pleasure is by following them. In Islam in order for a deed to be accepted it must have two conditions: 1) that it is sincere for the sake of God 2) that it be according to the way the Prophet peace be upon him did it.
Don’t Muslims believe that all prophets were guided by Allah to teach mankind and guide them on the straight path. Muslims believe in them all and make no distinction between them. “Say: 'We believe in Allah, and in what has been revealed to us and what was revealed to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and in the Books given to Moses, Jesus, and the Prophets, from their Lord; we make no distinction between one and another among them, and to Allah do we bow our will in Islam” (Qur’an 3:84). So shouldnt they believe it when Jesus says * “I am the way, the truth, and the life: and no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.” --John 14:6.*
 
Hello Karin. The Bible is not a source for Muslims. We believe it may have some things that are true in it, but much of it is man made. That is why we can’t say that Jesus peace be upon him said that with certainty, however it doesn’t mean he didn’t. Yes we believe in all Prophets may Gods peace and blessings be upon them and make no distinction between them.

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Emad:
Hello Karin. The Bible is not a source for Muslims. We believe it may have some things that are true in it, but much of it is man made. That is why we can’t say that Jesus peace be upon him said that with certainty, however it doesn’t mean he didn’t. Yes we believe in all Prophets may Gods peace and blessings be upon them and make no distinction between them.

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Ok so the problem is not Jesus but the Bible?!
 
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Karin:
Ok so the problem is not Jesus but the Bible?!
They do not realise that the Truth and power is in the sacraments, not in a book.

The Holy Spirit guides me always, even were I not to have a Bible.
My Lord is in my heart.
 
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hawk:
They do not realise that the Truth and power is in the sacraments, not in a book.

The Holy Spirit guides me always, even were I not to have a Bible.
My Lord is in my heart.
Ah, thank you Hawk but I was looking for a Muslim reply.
 
Dear friend

I have every respect for Islam, but The Mosaic law that is imitated and the Christian law that is in part imitated after the fact of Jesus’ birth bares some distortion for me.

I have read the Quran. Somehting not may Catholics do. I am very respectful of it and your faith, but I do not agree with it. Mohammad lived a life contrary to the system he preached. How can you say to me you do not know what Jesus said, but on the other hand you can say to me that Mohammad definitely said something.

Jesus did say those things and if you would accept Him as Prophet why cannot you accept His words. He is either lair or He is Prophet and therefore truth or then where is the truth in any of your prophets? And if Jesus is Prophet, He is also Priest, King and God as He said.

Can you further clarify your claims that Mohammad is superior to Jesus, where are they, either Jesus lied or He did not? The transcripts have been preserved from Jesus’ passing and ressurection historically, either He lied or not, further to this He cannot be liar and prophet and moreso cannot be liar and God.

Please explain, your explanation thus far is inadequate.

God Bless you and much love and peace to you

Teresa
 
In The Name of Allah the Most Gracious Most Merciful
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Karin:
Ok so the problem is not Jesus but the Bible?!
Yes, we believe in a book called the Injil which was revealed to Jesus peace and blessings be upon him, but that is different from the Bible we have today. We love Jesus peace be upon him with all our hearts. We believe he was one of the greatest Prophets to exist. In fact he is one of the five “ulul Azm” those with strong determination. The others are Muhammad, Ibrahim, Moses, and Nuh peace be upon them all. You can read more about the Islamic view of Jesus peace be upon him here: whyislam.org/877/Prophet%5FJesus/

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It is really very simple. God wills all men to be saved. God wills all men to know him and love him. This is the purpose of all of creation. He never wills that men do not know him, or die, or not be saved. Any God that does, is simply not God. In this case, the Islmaic have Jesus willed by God to die after he slays the devil. Ridiculous, because that God has no bearing, liness, similarity, or conformity to God. God never wills death, never. Therefore the Islamic Allah is not quite the full version of God, is he?
 
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stillsearching:
It is really very simple. God wills all men to be saved. God wills all men to know him and love him. This is the purpose of all of creation. He never wills that men do not know him, or die, or not be saved. Any God that does, is simply not God. In this case, the Islmaic have Jesus willed by God to die after he slays the devil. Ridiculous, because that God has no bearing, liness, similarity, or conformity to God. God never wills death, never. Therefore the Islamic Allah is not quite the full version of God, is he?
Why do you view death as a bad thing? It is just a bridge that we cross to meet God. We are here to be tested. If we are already forgiven, then what is the purpose of life? If God doesn’t will death why does He let it happen? Indeed Allah is a complete version of God, free from need, free from shortcomings, free from taking a helper or partner, free from being imperfect, free from entering a human body and acting like a weak creature. Glory be to Him, He is High Above what many ascribe to Him.
 
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Emad:
Why do you view death as a bad thing? It is just a bridge that we cross to meet God. We are here to be tested. If we are already forgiven, then what is the purpose of life? If God doesn’t will death why does He let it happen? Indeed Allah is a complete version of God, free from need, free from shortcomings, free from taking a helper or partner, free from being imperfect, free from entering a human body and acting like a weak creature. Glory be to Him, He is High Above what many ascribe to Him.
Because:
“But the Sabbath is in its turn the summing up of the Torah, the law of Israel. This means that worship has a moral aspect to it. God’s whole moral order has been taken up into it; only thus is it truly worship. To this must be added the fact that Torah, the law, is an expression of Israel’s history with God. It is an expression of God’s love, of his yes to the human being that he created, so that he could both love and receive love.
Now we grasp this notion better. We can say that God created the universe in order to inter into a history of love with humankind. He created it so that love could exist. Behind this lie words of Israel that lead directly to the New Testament. In Jewish literature it is said of Torah, which embodies the mystery of the covenant and of the history of God’s love for humankind, that it was in the beginning, that it was with God, that by it was made all that was made, and that it was the light and the life of humankind. John only needed to take these formulas and to apply them to him who is the living Word of God, saying that all things were made through him (cf. John 1:3). And even before him Paul had said:All things were created through him and for him” (Colossians 1:16:cf Colossians 1:15-23). **God created the universe in order to be able to become a human being and pour out his love upon us and to invite us to love him in return." **
From the fourth homily"In the Beginning…"
"The world religions are all aware of the profound idea that the universe exists for the sake of worship, but this idea is frequently misinterpreted to mean that in worship the human being gives something to the gods that they themselves stand in need of. It is thought that the divinity demands this attention on the part of human beings and that this worship has for its purpose the preservation of the world. Here, however, the possiblity lies open for manipulation. The human being can now say: The gods need me and so I can put pressure on them and, if I must, force them. Out of the pure relationship of love, which is what worship is supposed to be, there develops the manipulative attempt to sieze control of the world, and thus worship can lead to a debasing of the world and the human person."
Homily by Cardinal Ratzinger titled “The Meaning of the Biblical Creation Accounts-Creation and Worship”:
The bold and italis are mine. The bold answers your question. The italics describe my vision of Islam.
 
Dear Emad

You didn’t respond to my post to you. That’s alright. I think there are great truths in your faith of Islam. I truly think that you worship the same God I worship in the Catholic faith. I truly hope these two great world faiths in God can live peaceably. It is my great shame and sorrow to my heart that people decide to argue and question each others beliefs to such an extent as to lose peace in the world.

There are many paths to God and God uses many ways to bring His children to Him, it is the fault of foolish children to create sects and divide from each other by hardening their hearts and ultimately becoming enemies of each other. This is not God’s Spirit at work, this is truly an absence of God from people’s hearts.

I pray that people will realise the very dignity of their humanity because of Christ Jesus and that they can be tolerant and live peaceably with each other Inshallah.

While I do not share your belief and you do not share mine, we share kindred spirits in that we are children of God and that friend makes me very priveleged to speak with you.

We all seek, all of our lives, Truth. May God Bless you with Truth and Bless me with Truth by His Inspiration, may we always follow God’s Inspirations.

God Bless you and much love and peace to you

Teresa
 
Yes I didn’t answer your post because I just saw it. I will answer it in due time inshaAllah.
 
hi alll about the juses if he is light and true and way we mulsim can agree with that couz that mean he is prophat not god couz he is a way to god and no one can go to father without belive in him and that what mulsim beliove too
we have to belive in all other prophats to enter to heaven
soo yes juses is light to take those blind form darkness to light
and he is ture he came from god and he is massia
and yess he is way to god couz if u flow him u will flow god will
juses said i cant do nothink by my own
and he said he came to make god will not his will
and he said :
Jn:12:47:
47 And if any man hear my words and keep them not, I do not judge him for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. (DRV)
Jn:12:48:
48 He that despiseth me and receiveth not my words hath one that judgeth him. The word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. (DRV)
Jn:12:49:
49 For I have not spoken of myself: but the Father who sent me, he gave me commandment what I should say and what I should speak. (DRV) and we agree in that and we agree god sent him and that mean he is not god but he is massnger from god and he cant do nothing by his own .
soo after all that its very clear what he mean when he said am the true and way and light and we agree in that .
thank u
kareem
 
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springbreeze:
Dear friend

I have every respect for Islam, but The Mosaic law that is imitated and the Christian law that is in part imitated after the fact of Jesus’ birth bares some distortion for me.

I have read the Quran. Somehting not may Catholics do. I am very respectful of it and your faith, but I do not agree with it. Mohammad lived a life contrary to the system he preached. How can you say to me you do not know what Jesus said, but on the other hand you can say to me that Mohammad definitely said something.

Jesus did say those things and if you would accept Him as Prophet why cannot you accept His words. He is either lair or He is Prophet and therefore truth or then where is the truth in any of your prophets? And if Jesus is Prophet, He is also Priest, King and God as He said.

Can you further clarify your claims that Mohammad is superior to Jesus, where are they, either Jesus lied or He did not? The transcripts have been preserved from Jesus’ passing and ressurection historically, either He lied or not, further to this He cannot be liar and prophet and moreso cannot be liar and God.

Please explain, your explanation thus far is inadequate.

God Bless you and much love and peace to you

Teresa
dear
jesue never said he is GODin the bible or ask anyone tp worship him and no one verses in the bible anyone said juses is god or trinty or man and god in same time
and jesue always said he is god massnger and god sent him and he cant do nothink by his own
and jesue when he rise he siad ill go to my father ad ur father my GOD and ur GOD
and we only beive what jesue said about him self no more
and we belive there is only one god and jesue is his massnger
**Jn:17:3:
3 Now this is eternal life: That they may know thee, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. (DRV)**and if u have any comment plz and am ready to answer u anythink about that
thank u again
kareem
 
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kareem:
dear
jesue never said he is GODin the bible or ask anyone tp worship him and no one verses in the bible anyone said juses is god or trinty or man and god in same time
and jesue always said he is god massnger and god sent him and he cant do nothink by his own
and jesue when he rise he siad ill go to my father ad ur father my GOD and ur GOD
and we only beive what jesue said about him self no more
and we belive there is only one god and jesue is his massnger
Jn:17:3:
3 Now this is eternal life: That they may know thee, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. (DRV
)and if u have any comment plz and am ready to answer u anythink about that.
kareem
Jesus Christ was more than a “good man.” He is God.
Philippians 2:6
Hebrews 1:8

A. He Himself claimed to be God.
John 4:26; 8:23; 10:30; 13:13; 14:7-10

B. He accepted worship.
Matthew 8:2; 9:18; 14:33; 15:25; 18:26; 28:9, 17
Mark 5:6; Luke 24:52; John 5:22, 23; John 9:38

C. He claimed the power and authority to forgive sin.
Matthew 9:6; Mark 2:7

D. “He was God manifest in the flesh” (l Timothy 3:16), “for in
Him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily”
(Colossians 2:9).

E. “God was in Christ” (2 Corinthians 5:19), Who is “the
brightness of His glory, and the express image of His person…”
(Hebrews 1:3).

F. Jesus is therefore throughout scripture referred to as the
“image of God.”
John 1:18; 2 Corinthians 4:4; Colossians 1:15
Philippians 2:6

II. By the names attributed to him in scripture it can be seen that
Jesus Christ was truly God as well as man.

A. “Mighty God.” Isaiah 9:6
B. The Word of God. John 1:1; Revelation 19:13, 16
C. “Immanuel,” meaning “God with us.” Isaiah 7:14; Matthew 1:23
D. The Almighty. Revelation 1:8
E . The “I Am.” John 8:58 with Exodus 3:14
F. “My Lord and my God!” John 20:28
G. The “Alpha and Omega” (first and last).
Isaiah 44:6; 48:12; Revelation 1:8, 11, 17; 2:8; 21:6; 22:13
H. Son of God. Matthew 17:5; Mark 1:1; Luke 1:35; 1 John 4:15

III. Jesus Christ possessed all the attributes of God.

In Christ,
selvaraj
 
I was wandering…according tu Qurann Jesus wasn´t crucified.The Bible and historical remains says he was.How do you explaine this?

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hadrijan:
I was wandering…according tu Qurann Jesus wasn´t crucified.The Bible and historical remains says he was.How do you explaine this?

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brother juses never said he will gone die for anyone sin and he didnt talk about adam sin or he will die for that
and juses said Jn:15:22:
22 If I had not come and spoken to them, they would not have sin: but now they have no excuse for their sin. (DRV)

he he said toMt:19:16:
16 ¶ And behold one came and said to him: Good master, what good shall I do that I may have life everlasting? (DRV)Mt:19:17:
17 Who said to him: Why askest thou me concerning good? One is good, God. But if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. (DRV)
Mt:19:18:
18 He said to him: Which? And Jesus said: Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness. (DRV)
Mt:19:19:
19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. (DRV)
Mt:19:20:
20 The young man saith to him: All these have I kept from my youth, what is yet wanting to me? (DRV)
Mt:19:21:
21 Jesus saith to him: If thou wilt be perfect, go sell what thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me. (DRV)
soo only to belive in one god and flow his men he sent and listen to his commandments that enought to be saved and whos talk about crucified not jsues like i told u but paul .
 
thank u selvara
couz u proof what i said no one veses from all those verses juses said he is god clearly or directly and he did ask anyone to worship him and let us see what verses u got one by one
1st that not juses who was ta;likng in pilip
Phil:2:6:
6 Who being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: (DRV)
read the vesre he didnt robbrey tio cliam him self even when he was god inage and adam was god imgae too
soo the vesre said he didnt not he did

Heb:1:8:
8 But to the Son: Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of justice is the sceptre of thy kingdom. (DRV)
back to old test to see solmon too was
Ps:45:6:
6 ¶ (44-7) Thy throne, O God, is forever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a sceptre of uprightness. (DRV)
and no one said solmon is god
but what those vesres mean its came from god
Jn:17:22:
22 And the glory which thou hast given me, I have given to them: that, they may be one, as we also are one. (DRV) and that proof what i said jesus said the glory hast given to me that mean god whso give and jesue take and that mean they are not same and every glory that jesue have that couz god give it to him .
Jn:4:26:
26 Jesus saith to her: I am he, who am speaking with thee. (DRV)
sooo am he whoo too when i used that u ill think am god or what
when god said that he is god talking and when juses said that he is jesue talking and when i said that am kreem whos talking
soo am he who too 🙂
Jn:4:25:
25 The woman saith to him: I know that the Messias cometh (who is called Christ): therefore, when he is come, he will tell us all things. (DRV) see the woman was talking about messias and he is messias soo where is the point here .
plz body read the vesre u bring 1st plz.
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and let us countain to see what els 🙂

Jn:8:23:
23 And he said to them: You are from beneath: I am from above. You are of this world: I am not of this world. (DRV)
Jn:8:24:
24 Therefore I said to you that you shall die in your sins. For if you believe not that I am he, you shall die in your sJn:8:25:
25 They said therefore to him: Who art thou? Jesus said to them: The beginning, who also speak unto you. (DRV)
in. (DRV)
Jn:8:26:
26 Many things I have to speak and to judge of you. But he that sent me, is true: and the things I have heard of him, these same I speak in the world. (DRV)

soo he said god sent him and every think he said its from god not from him
soo
he is not from that worldcous he will back to sky but he didnt said he is god
he siad Jn:8:27:
27 And they understood not that he called God his Father. (DRV)

Jn:8:28:
28 Jesus therefore said to them: When you shall have lifted up, the Son of man, then shall you know that I am he and that I do nothing of myself. But as the Father hath taught me, these things I speak. (DRV)

and here he said he didnt doo nothing by him self soo what is that mean
??? illlleave the u to answer that

Jn:10:30:
30 I and the Father are one. (DRV)
ok plz read that to knwo what he was mean
Jn:17:21:
21 That they all may be one, as thou, Father, in me, and I in thee; that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. (DRV)
as thou father in me
he explain what he was mean me and father are one ]
and if u think he is god couz he and his father are one person now u have 12 fr s of jesue they are one with them too
that plus holy spirt u ill have 15 not persons not trinty anymore 🙂

next
Jn:13:13:
13 You call me Master and Lord. And you say well: for so I am. (DRV)
wellyes he is and alot are masters and lords too but he is not god
and if u read all the vesres u ill see that
20 Amen, amen, I say to you, he that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me: and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.
and in same chappter he said
16 Amen, amen, I say to you: The servant is not greater than his lord: neither is the apostle greater than he that sent him

soo he mean his father is great then him and that mean they are not equel like u said
mmmm anyway ill counatin later couz u need me to write a book . and we will keep reply for all the vesre u got later .

and thank u tp prooof our point that he didnt said and no one sais that that he is god

ohh about god came in flesh its not god came ib flesh
plzz read new trasn bible its he who came in flesh not god came in flesh couz they found that god came in flesh is fabrcation and lie and not true word and u can back to notefoon bible to see that by ur self .
thank u
 
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