Questions about Jewish priests/Rabbis

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grandfather said:
KJV John Chapter 8
21 Then said Jesus again unto them, I go my way, and ye shall seek me, and shall die in your sins: whither I go, ye cannot come.

Notice this was not the first time He said this to them. He said again to them…

He was going to heaven and telling them they could not come there. They would die in their sins. This was right after they brought the adulteress woman to Him. He told her he did not condemn her. Then they challenged Him about bearing witness to Himself and He told them they would die in their sins and not be able to go with Him where He was going, heaven.

The adulteress woman, the sinner is pardoned. Notice there is no profession of contrition on her part. He simply forgives her. Shortly thereafter, following some dialogue he makes the statement about dying in sin and not being with Him where He goes. This confused His questioners and they wondered if He was going to kill Himself.

In another place He said that they would die in their sins, because they did not believe in Him, but I don’t recall the exact phrasing.
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And yet a number of pharasee’s did come to him and recieve salvation (and still identified with the pharasee’s).

Either Jesus lied, or that wasn’t a blanket condemnation.

And he didn’t forgive the woman, rather he refused to condemn her. He instructed her to “go and sin no more.”
 
grandfather said:
KJV John Chapter 8
21 Then said Jesus again unto them, I go my way, and ye shall seek me, and shall die in your sins: whither I go, ye cannot come.

Notice this was not the first time He said this to them. He said again to them…

He was going to heaven and telling them they could not come there. They would die in their sins. This was right after they brought the adulteress woman to Him. He told her he did not condemn her. Then they challenged Him about bearing witness to Himself and He told them they would die in their sins and not be able to go with Him where He was going, heaven.

The adulteress woman, the sinner is pardoned. Notice there is no profession of contrition on her part. He simply forgives her. Shortly thereafter, following some dialogue he makes the statement about dying in sin and not being with Him where He goes. This confused His questioners and they wondered if He was going to kill Himself.

In another place He said that they would die in their sins, because they did not believe in Him, but I don’t recall the exact phrasing.
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39 Jesus said, “For judgment I have come into this world, so that the blind will see and those who see will become blind. 40 Some Pharisees who were with him heard him say this and asked, “What? Are we blind too?”

41 Jesus said, “If you were blind, you would not be guilty of sin; but now that you claim you can see, your guilt remains."

and,

John 5:19 Jesus gave them this answer: “Very truly I tell you, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does. 20 For the Father loves the Son and shows him all he does. Yes, and he will show him even greater works than these, so that you will be amazed. 21 For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, even so*** the Son gives life to whom he is pleased to give it.***

*** (1 Samuel 2:6 "6 “The LORD brings death and makes alive; he brings down to the grave and raises up.)***

***Remember and according to Jewish source - and this was talked about on another thread:
Gehenna - When the ancient rabbis talk about Gehenna, the question they are trying to answer is “How will bad people be dealt with in the afterlife?” Accordingly, they saw Gehenna as a place of punishment for those who lead an immoral life. However, the time a person’s soul could spend in Gehenna was limited to twelve months and the rabbis maintained that even at the very Gates of Gehenna a person could repent and avoid punishment (Erubin 19a). After being punished in Gehenna a soul was considered pure enough to enter Gan Eden (see below). You can learn more about Gehenna in: "What Is Gehenna? judaism.about.com/od/judaismbasics/a/Afterlife-In-Judaism-Jewish-Beliefs.htm
 
Also, there is a thought to a person who is a teacher of the law, in much the same way as toward honoring our parents (in the same flex) because if you had to choose between what is the right and wrong with the principles of the law - the child/student would need to uphold the law. If a parent misguides his child, the child is permitted to turn away from the parent. In the same way you would turn away from a teacher of the law.
King Solomon, in his wisdom, tells [Proverbs 1:8] the child to obey the “correction of his father and never to abandon the Torah of his mother.” If a child is to grow in Torah, wouldn’t we suppose that the child be told not to abandon the Torah of his FATHER? The father is the parent commanded to learn Torah and to teach it to his son!
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This could be listed under to honor thy father and mother. In another thread, a father or mother can be anyone who uphold and teaches the law (Torah) to a child.
The place of parent as God’s representative is further emphasized through the mitzvah to teach one’s children Torah–God’s word. Adoptive, step-, and foster parents are included in this sacred relationship–“He who brings up a child is to be called its father, not he who gave birth” (Shemot Rabbah 46:5 and elsewhere)—
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Jesus was quoted as saying:***

46 While Jesus was still talking to the crowd, his mother and brothers stood outside, wanting to speak to him. 47 Someone told him, “Your mother and brothers are standing outside, wanting to speak to you.”

48 He replied to him, “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?” 49 Pointing to his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers. 50 For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.”
 
manualman said:
Common misconception. Jesus scolded the Pharisees all the time, true. Go sit on a bench in a public park some time. How often does a mom scold other kids for bad behavior compared to how often she scolds her own?

That’s Jesus and the Pharisees. What grated Jesus about them is that they should have known better than to behave how they did and they claimed to be the most faithful, but they still had a long way to go. They too were stained by original sin and needed a Savior. He scolded his own kids the strongest.

But the Pharisees were the ones that stood up against the creeping agnosticism of the Saduccees, they were the ones who renewed the faithfulness of Jewish society against the creeping idolotry after the Babylonian exile. Jesus had followers among them, not the Saducces. Theologically, the Pharisees were good guys! But simply following rules can never be good enough, you need Grace to be more than you are. The Pharisees had to be reminded of that.
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Jesus had more in common with Pharisees than any other group in Judaism.
 
One last thought,The opening of this tractate with the chain of Torah transmission has to do with both the tractate’s name, Avoth, and its topic, “Musar” (ethical discipline).

It is written in Mishle (1:8) - Mishle - The proverbs of Solomon “Hark my son to the discipline of your father, and don’t abandon the teachings of your mother.” Parents, who bring life to their children, are especially suited to discipline and educate them, due to their greater maturity and experience. The father plays the major role in the discipline. Since this tractate discusses ethical disciplines, it opens with the true “fathers”, those who bring real life – Torah - - to the world: Moshe, Yehoshua (Joshua), the Elders, the Prophets, the Anshei Knesset HaGedola (the men of Great Assembly), and the Tana’im (Sages). As they are true fathers, it behooves us to accept moral disciplines from them. In fact, this is why the Tractate itself is called “Avoth” (literally “fathers”).

The verse goes something like this:

Moses received the Torah from Sinai and transmitted it Joshua. Joshua transmitted it to the Elders, the Elders to the Prophets, and the Prophets transmitted it to the Men of the Great Assembly. They [the Men of the Great Assembly] said three things: Be deliberate in judgment, raise many students, and make a protective fence for the Torah."
The Catholic Church teaches that adult children have a duty to honor their parents by providing “material and moral support in old age and in times of illness, loneliness, or distress.”[51] This honor should be based on the son or daughter’s gratitude for the life, love and effort given by the parents and motivated by the desire to pay them back in some measure.[52]
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***The principle of the commandment is extended to the duty to honor others in direct authority, such as teachers, employers,[53] and especially persons in addition to parents ***who may have contributed to one’s coming to and living a life of faith in Jesus.
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