Questions about Mormonism

[Pope_Noah_I]

As far as I know, Mormons believe that after death, they can become Gods. Does that mean that they are exhempt from worshipping God, or that they are on the same level as Him? Also, do Mormons believe that there is more than one Almighty God, if so, why worship the God of Abraham?

 

[CCM08]

Mormons believe in a “plurality of gods.”

See the fourth chaper of the book of “Abraham”

CHAPTER 4
The Gods plan the creation of the earth and all life thereon—Their plans for the six days of creation are set forth.
1 And then the Lord said: Let us go down. And they went down at the beginning, and they, that is the aGods, borganized and formed the cheavens and the earth.
2 And the earth, after it was formed, was empty and desolate, because they had not formed anything but the earth; and adarkness reigned upon the face of the deep, and the Spirit of the Gods bwas brooding upon the face of the waters.
3 And they (the Gods) said: Let there be light; and there was light.
4 And they (the Gods) comprehended the light, for it was abright; and they divided the light, or caused it to be divided, from the darkness.
5 And the Gods called the light Day, and the darkness they called Night. And it came to pass that from the evening until morning they called anight; and from the morning until the evening they called day; and this was the first, or the beginning, of that which they called day and night.
6 And the Gods also said: Let there be an aexpanse in the midst of the waters, and it shall divide the waters from the waters.
7 And the Gods ordered the expanse, so that it divided the waters which were under the expanse from the waters which were above the expanse; and it was so, even as they ordered.
8 And the Gods called the expanse, Heaven. And it came to pass that it was from evening until morning that they called night; and it came to pass that it was from morning until evening that they called day; and this was the second atime that they called night and day.
9 And the Gods ordered, saying: Let the awaters under the heaven be gathered together unto bone place, and let the earth come up dry; and it was so as they ordered;
10 And the Gods pronounced the dry land, Earth; and the gathering together of the waters, pronounced they, aGreat Waters; and the Gods saw that they were obeyed.

It goes on like that for the rest of the chapter.

Yes, Mormons believe that if you measure up you and your goddess wives can have a universe of your own complete with billions of spirit children and be equal in every way to God.

 

[jay29]

Where does the planet KOLOB fit in to the scheme of things?

 

[Alma147]

As far as I know, Mormons believe that after death, they can become Gods. Does that mean that they are exhempt from worshipping God, or that they are on the same level as Him? Also, do Mormons believe that there is more than one Almighty God, if so, why worship the God of Abraham?

I don’t believe we will ever not worship God because He is our Creator. We worship the God of Abraham because He commanded us to do so. (Thou shalt have no other Gods before me.) Even Origen acknowledged a plurality of Gods: "There are some gods of whom God is god, as we hear in prophecy, “Thank ye the God of gods,” and “The God of gods hath spoken, and called the earth.” Now God, according to the Gospel, “is not the God of the dead but of the living.” Those gods, then, are living of whom God is god. The Apostle, too, writing to the Corinthians, says: “As there are gods many and lords many,” **and so we have spoken of these gods as really existing. ** (Origen’s Commentary on the Gospel of John Book 1)

Even Christ cited scripture referring to a plurality of Gods, noting that it could not be broken. (see John 10:34-35)

Alma

 

[Alma147]

Where does the planet KOLOB fit in to the scheme of things?

It’s a star, not a planet.

Alma

 

[CCM08]

I don’t believe we will ever not worship God because He is our Creator.

This is simply untrue according to Mormon theology. The Mormon god neither created the universe, nor humans, whom according to Mormon beliefs have always existed.

We worship the God of Abraham because He commanded us to do so. (Thou shalt have no other Gods before me.) Even Origen acknowledged a plurality of Gods: "There are some gods of whom God is god, as we hear in prophecy, “Thank ye the God of gods,” and “The God of gods hath spoken, and called the earth.” Now God, according to the Gospel, “is not the God of the dead but of the living.” Those gods, then, are living of whom God is god. The Apostle, too, writing to the Corinthians, says: “As there are gods many and lords many,” **and so we have spoken of these gods as really existing. ** (Origen’s Commentary on the Gospel of John Book 1)

Even Christ cited scripture referring to a plurality of Gods, noting that it could not be broken. (see John 10:34-35)

Alma

Origen was a heretic, this is complete and utter tripe. Of course what else would one expect from a 19th century libertine prophet cult.

 

[CCM08]

Where does the planet KOLOB fit in to the scheme of things?

Kolob is the star the planet the Mormon god lives on. Cpt. Kirk made a visit with Spock and his brother in that one Star Trek movie, LOL. Then again according to Mormon prophets both the sun and moon are inhabited.

 

[Alma147]

This is simply untrue according to Mormon theology. The Mormon god neither created the universe, nor humans, whom according to Mormon beliefs have always existed.

Interesting that I can say, “This is what I believe” as a Mormon and you can reply that my beliefs are “untrue” and “tripe” according to Mormon beliefs. On the surface your claim seems to take a great deal for granted–most importantly that I am a Mormon and I maintain those beliefs. See the disconnect? What is it that makes you a better arbiter of what I believe than me?

Perhaps you could give me a scripture from our canon supporting your thesis–but absent that, I’ll stick with the understanding that I get from passages like this: “Thus saith the Lord your God, even Jesus Christ, the Great I AM, Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the same which looked upon the wide expanse of eternity, and all the seraphic hosts of heaven, before the world was made; …I am the same which spake, and the world was made, and all things came by me.”

The fact that Mormonism holds to a Hebrew perspective of the word “create” doesn’t negate the fact that we believe God created the heavens and the earth and all mankind. You can hold to a perspective borne from Greek philosophy that “create” means “bring into existence;” but that’s a philosophical rather than scriptural perspective.

Origen was a heretic, this is complete and utter tripe. Of course what else would one expect from a 19th century libertine prophet cult.

OK, you’ve dismissed Origen for what he said about the plurality of Gods. Care to tell me how you dismiss Christ in John 10?

Alma

 

[jville14]

Interesting that I can say, “This is what I believe” as a Mormon and you can reply that my beliefs are “untrue” and “tripe” according to Mormon beliefs. On the surface your claim seems to take a great deal for granted–most importantly that I am a Mormon and I maintain those beliefs. See the disconnect? What is it that makes you a better arbiter of what I believe than me?

Perhaps you could give me a scripture from our canon supporting your thesis–but absent that, I’ll stick with the understanding that I get from passages like this: “Thus saith the Lord your God, even Jesus Christ, the Great I AM, Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the same which looked upon the wide expanse of eternity, and all the seraphic hosts of heaven, before the world was made; …I am the same which spake, and the world was made, and all things came by me.”

The fact that Mormonism holds to a Hebrew perspective of the word “create” doesn’t negate the fact that we believe God created the heavens and the earth and all mankind. You can hold to a perspective borne from Greek philosophy that “create” means “bring into existence;” but that’s a philosophical rather than scriptural perspective.

OK, you’ve dismissed Origen for what he said about the plurality of Gods. Care to tell me how you dismiss Christ in John 10?

Alma

Jesus is talking about Psalms 82

God rises in the divine council
gives judgment in the misdt of the gods
how long will you judge unjustly
and favor the cause of the wicked

thats not the whole thing but hes talking about the judges of Israel, who exercise the divine prerogative to judge were called gods.

 

[okieflyer]

To OP
Those are good questions. If it is an attempt to understand the difference between LDS and Christianity you might start with the Apostles Creed. Do not get me wrong. Outside of a few bad apples and being wrongly tied with those few obscure present day sects with multiple wives (which are not reconized by the LDS) they are generally good and moral people as Christians. Biblicaly speaking though Mormonism is a cult NOT to be confused with the OCULT ie …Satan worshiping and witch craft. Cult simply means a NON Chrisatian religion. I personally am not Catholic but Assembly of God. Doctrine wise you can not get much further apart so what’s the difference for Mormons. Go back to the Apostles Creed

“I belive in God the Father Almighty”

Here we have an ALMIGHTY God. Power over ALL he has ALL MIGHT and therfore can not be subject to any other ie… promoted to god hood by a greater athority as the LDS church believes.

“Creator of Heaven and Earth”

He CREATED not just assembled. Mormon theology hold tight to the law of Physics where matter can not be created or destoyed. So it has always existed and the Mormon God simply assembled earth and all of creation. That would make God ALLMOST ALMIGHTY assembler of Heaven and Earth.

“And in Jesus Christ his only son our Lord”

Mormons believe Jesus was the first of many children with Lucifer being the second.

“Who was concieved by the Holy Gost and born of the virgin Mary”

Mormons believe God the Father himself came to Mary in life to concieve Jesus. No Holy Ghost. No virgin Birth. Mormons believe the Holy Ghost is a spirit man, a spirit son of God the Father. Mormons believe that people lived with God before coming to earth, in what they call a pre mortal life. The Holy Ghost is one of God’s spirit children who has yet to gain a body. Therfore he has not existed eternity past with the Father but is only a offspring of the Mormon god.

The Apostle Creed can set apart the Mormonism from Christianity line by line the rest of the way through it as well can the Nicene Creed. Doctrine of the LDS, Prodestant, and Catholic Church’s are similar in many ways the difference is in the starting point and beyond that it matters very little. The Trinity is simply not there in the Mormon Church as the Bible calls it out. Where Prodestants and Catholics struggle over how to carry it out what God has taught us we stand UNDIVIDED in who He is! So when a Mormon talks of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost take note same name but not the same. In real life I have two friends named Mike both have salt and peppered hair though similar one is an airplane mechanic and one is a car mechanic with each different history’s.

I’ve done much studing on the LDS church. The best short article I’ve seen yet is on NewAdvent.org under Mormonism.

For biblical references line by line on eithier Creed try Martin Luthers Catechism (sorry Catholics LOL ) or the Catholic Catechism should spell it out quite clear on who the Trinity is and His caricature.

 

[Alma147]

Jesus is talking about Psalms 82

God rises in the divine council
gives judgment in the misdt of the gods
how long will you judge unjustly
and favor the cause of the wicked

thats not the whole thing but hes talking about the judges of Israel, who exercise the divine prerogative to judge were called gods.

You really think that’s a valid explanation? Look at the context. The Jews had just taken up stones to try to kill Jesus for blasphemy. I can assure you that it wasn’t blasphemy to claim to be a judge. They explained, “For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.” In response to that accusation, Jesus cited the 82nd Psalm. The Lord Himself placed this in a context of Gods, not judges; for an appeal to being a judge would not have answered His critics. The claim that Jesus was talking about judges rather than Gods is special pleading, if not entirely specious.

Alma

 

[PaulDupre]

In John 10, 31 the Jews took up stones to kill Jesus because in the preceding verse he said “I and My Father are one.” This saying made Jesus equal with God. That is the blaspheny for which they wanted to stone him.

God love you,
Paul