Questions about sterilization

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Regina7 said:
I will post more later, but to answer your question, I am a woman. And I was raped in college, so I can assure you that I do not take rape lightly.

And, while I’m certainly not glad I was raped (who is?) it’s part of who I am.

I am not afraid of becoming raped again. I survived it once and I’m still standing, stronger than ever.

And, another side note- one of my closest friends is a product of rape. Her father raped her mother in Mexico. Thank God she didn’t abort her- this world is a much better place with my friend in it.

Did something happen to perpetuate this fear? Has a close friend/family member been raped?
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Ok, good that you’re not a man. I’m so sorry for what happened to you 😦

And nothing happened to me, my family members or friends. I’m just a misandrist and I know that men are not like us women; they’re much more violent, aggressive, unreliable and suffer from lack of empathy. I feel like they’re terrible and sometimes I even have struggles to believe that they’re human beings because they’re so cruel. Knowing that I have men all around me causes me anxiety because no matter what I do or where I go I can never feel safe.
 
chasingcars said:
And nothing happened to me, my family members or friends. I’m just a misandrist and I know that men are not like us women; they’re much more violent, aggressive, unreliable and suffer from lack of empathy. I feel like they’re terrible and sometimes I even have struggles to believe that they’re human beings because they’re so cruel. Knowing that I have men all around me causes me anxiety because no matter what I do or where I go I can never feel safe.
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This is really not a healthy attitude to have towards half the population! I’d say the vast majority of men I know are loving, kind, and reliable people who would never dream of harming a woman.

I think you may find counseling helpful, and certainly more productive in addressing your fears than undergoing surgery to mutilate your body.
 
nodito said:
This is really not a healthy attitude to have towards half the population! I’d say the vast majority of men I know are loving, kind, and reliable people who would never dream of harming a woman.

I think you may find counseling helpful, and certainly more productive in addressing your fears than undergoing surgery to mutilate your body.
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But if I don’t get the sterilization I’d be much more vulnerable and weak because anyone could get me pregnant by force. Sterilization would make me feel stronger and most importantly, safe. That’s something what counseling could never do (and I don’t even need it). I’m a bit confused because I feel like it’s wrong but in other hand I feel like it’d be good for me.

And nice to hear that the men you know are kind, my own experiences are slightly different.
 
"chasingcars:
And nice to hear that the men you know are kind, my own experiences are slightly different.
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And herein lies the crux of the problem. You’ve had problems with men that are causing you to perceive a large segment of the population as violent, aggressive, and dangrous to women. This may be why you do not see marriage as an appealing option, whereas in reality, marriage is a great good.
chasingcars said:
But if I don’t get the sterilization I’d be much more vulnerable and weak because anyone could get me pregnant by force. Sterilization would make me feel stronger and most importantly, safe. That’s something what counseling could never do (and I don’t even need it). I’m a bit confused because I feel like it’s wrong but in other hand I feel like it’d be good for me.
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I actually do think that any a person who is considering multilating their body (because that’s what sterilization is - taking a healthy, functioning organ and rendering it dysfunctional) because of a generalized fear of men needs counseling. Counseling can give you perspective and help you explore why you fear men to such an extent.

Your fertility is not a liability. It does not make you weak or vulnerable. Your femininity, including your ability to become pregnant, is a gift from God and a great good. Pregnancy is not a disease or an afflication. I think it seems unappealing to you because you have such disdain for men, but you do not become stronger by mutilating yourself.

Have you taken a self defense class? Have you looked into moving into a safer neighborhood? Do you abstain from alcohol? These are legitimage things that you can do to make yourself less likely to be victimized.
 
chasingcars said:
Isn’t emergency contraception a sin? I was actually thinking that the pill would be a good option for me until I’m able to get the sterilization. But something still keeps telling me that it’d be wrong and God doesn’t want me to do it. Thanks for your advice.
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Yes, any kind of contraception is a sin- emergency contraception even in the case of rape. The Church is VERY clear on that. If a baby is conceived, that child has a right to life, regardless of how s/he was conceived.
 
chasingcars said:
Ok, good that you’re not a man. I’m so sorry for what happened to you 😦

And nothing happened to me, my family members or friends. I’m just a misandrist and I know that men are not like us women; they’re much more violent, aggressive, unreliable and suffer from lack of empathy. I feel like they’re terrible and sometimes I even have struggles to believe that they’re human beings because they’re so cruel. Knowing that I have men all around me causes me anxiety because no matter what I do or where I go I can never feel safe.
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Actually reading this makes me think you are in need of counseling. It’s not a normal/healthy outlook to see men like this. (I’m a woman for the record)

Counseling is not so bad, in fact seeing a counselor right now for my anxiety and I love it. It really helps.
 
chasingcars said:
But if I don’t get the sterilization I’d be much more vulnerable and weak because anyone could get me pregnant by force. Sterilization would make me feel stronger and most importantly, safe. That’s something what counseling could never do (and I don’t even need it). I’m a bit confused because I feel like it’s wrong but in other hand I feel like it’d be good for me.

And nice to hear that the men you know are kind, my own experiences are slightly different.
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Getting sterilized will not prevent you from getting raped. Your chances of getting raped are the same whether you are sterilized or not. It sounds like you are more afraid of getting pregnant than getting raped.
 
chasingcars said:
Isn’t emergency contraception a sin? I was actually thinking that the pill would be a good option for me until I’m able to get the sterilization. But something still keeps telling me that it’d be wrong and God doesn’t want me to do it. Thanks for your advice.
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Actually it’s not a sin in the case of rape provided that you haven’t conceived yet. They have to meet certain conditions when administering the pill, such as a pregnancy test, and possibly ovulation test. But if it meets the conditions it is NOT considered a sin in the case of rape.
 
D0UBTFIRE said:
Actually it’s not a sin in the case of rape provided that you haven’t conceived yet. They have to meet certain conditions when administering the pill, such as a pregnancy test, and possibly ovulation test. But if it meets the conditions it is NOT considered a sin in the case of rape.
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Yes, it is.
 
Regina7 said:
If the woman HAS ovulated, then morning after pill would cause abortion. If she hasn’t ovulated…then the pill isn’t necessary anyway.
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Because sperm can survive for up to five days in the woman’s reproductive tract, a medication that prevents ovulation would indeed be useful for preventing pregnancy in the case of a rape victim.
 
Regina7 said:
If the woman HAS ovulated, then morning after pill would cause abortion. If she hasn’t ovulated…then the pill isn’t necessary anyway.
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Look, you can think what you want to think, but the U.S. Bishops allow for this use of this type of medicine in rape cases. And if you understand a woman’s cycle you would know that she can become pregnant from sperm that’s living inside of her days before ovulation…I’ve seen NFP users who’ve gotten pregnant up to six days before peak day!

So, like I said, in the case of rape, with certain guidelines, the church does NOT consider it sinful. I even gave you a link of an article written by Stacey Trasancos on the matter… Did you read it?
 
Regina7 said:
Getting sterilized will not prevent you from getting raped. Your chances of getting raped are the same whether you are sterilized or not. It sounds like you are more afraid of getting pregnant than getting raped.
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I agree with this.

If the OP has this much anxiety and hostility towards men simply because they are men, I would agree with previous posters that counseling is very much needed.

Though the fact that the OP willingly identifies as a misandrist makes me wonder if perhaps we’re not getting our legs pulled…
 
D0UBTFIRE said:
I’m pretty sure that the church has only officially taught that contraception is intrinsically evil in marriage… They haven’t addressed fornication or rape. We kinda hashed this out in my thread “so what to do if I can’t stop contracepting?”
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No. Contraception is forbidden under ALL circumstances. I am happy to stand corrected if you can direct me to the Church document that states it only applies to marriage and that outside marriage it is allowed.
 
chasingcars said:
I’m just a misandrist and I know that men are not like us women; they’re much more violent, aggressive, unreliable and suffer from lack of empathy. I feel like they’re terrible and sometimes I even have struggles to believe that they’re human beings because they’re so cruel. Knowing that I have men all around me causes me anxiety because no matter what I do or where I go I can never feel safe.
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Honey, you need some serious therapy.
 
D0UBTFIRE said:
Look, you can think what you want to think, but the U.S. Bishops allow for this use of this type of medicine in rape cases. And if you understand a woman’s cycle you would know that she can become pregnant from sperm that’s living inside of her days before ovulation…I’ve seen NFP users who’ve gotten pregnant up to six days before peak day!

So, like I said, in the case of rape, with certain guidelines, the church does NOT consider it sinful. I even gave you a link of an article written by Stacey Trasancos on the matter… Did you read it?
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I did read it. I have never heard of Stacey Trasancos so I certainly cannot accept her as an authority. As I’m sure you know, just because someone claims to be Catholic or just because someone has a web page…doesn’t make their information true.

Ovulation kits are never foolproof- neither is nfp as you’ve mentioned. Using the morning after pill seriously runs the risk of aborting a baby- and since the purpose of the pill is to prevent pregnancy (and is not just a side effect) that is intrinsically evil.
 
thistle said:
That is not true. The Church does not permit the morning after pill. The reason why it is not okay is that the earliest a conception can be detected is 4 days which means it cannot be certain that the morning after pill is not an abortifacient.
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In 2001 the USCCB wrote this:
A female who has been raped should be able to defend herself against a potential conception from the sexual assault. If after appropriate testing, there is no evidence that conception has occurred already, she may be treated with medications that would prevent ovulation, sperm capacitation, or fertilization. It is not permissible, however, to initiate or to recommend treatments that have as their purpose or direct effect the removal, destruction, or interference with the implantation of a fertilized ovum.
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It is in fact possible to detect ovulation (or lack thereof) using ultrasound.
 
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