Questions about the Divine Mercy

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the USCCB is not the magisterium of the Church.
And what makes me skeptical about St. Faustina’s “theology of mercy” is that she presents a divine mercy that does not sufficiently recall the necessity of the penance that must be associated with it
 
The USCCB are the bishops of the USA. I am a US Catholic and I follow the teachings of my bishops. They are most definitely part of the magisterium of the Church.

From Wikipedia:
The magisterium of the Catholic Church is the church’s authority or office to establish teachings. That authority is vested uniquely in the Pope and the bishops, under the premise that they are in communion with the correct and true teachings of the faith.
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You, on the other hand, are some random person on the Internet, and are most definitely not part of the Magisterium of the Church.
You are free to be skeptical all day long about St. Faustina, or any other private revelation, and you are also free to not participate in Divine Mercy devotions, ever. That’s your individual opinion. I trust my bishops and Pope John Paul II a lot more than I trust you and your opinion, though.
 
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Yes, but it is not any acts of the bishops, and even the pope who belong to the ordinary magisteries of the Church.
the decisions of an episcopal conference do not belong at all to the magisteries of the Church
 
You may as well spend the rest of your day banging your head against a brick wall than try to convince someone they’re wrong on the internet. You could present a list of encyclicals a page long, and some people would nitpick every bit of it.

Best to rest in your own assurance and move on.

Though personally, it irks me when someone posts things that cause confusion or even teach things in error. But at some point, ya just gotta move on.

St Faustina, pray for us.
Pope St John Paul II, pray for us.
 
Yes, I know, but at least the correct information is posted for those who might google up this topic and get this thread.

I can never understand why people who do not like devotions that are clearly optional including Rosary, Divine Mercy and many others have to argue against them for everyone rather than just be content to not do the devotion themselves.
 
I have given an argument which seems to me to be based on the authentic doctrine of the Church. To know that the mercy of God is conditioned to the penance of the sinner! and Saint Faustine seems to conceal this aspect. Do you have any objections on this?
 
Mboo said:
To know that the mercy of God is conditioned to the penance of the sinner! and Saint Faustine seems to conceal this aspect. Do you have any objections on this?
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St. Faustina presented what was told to her by Jesus.
 
There we turn in circles …
The Church (therefore Jesus) teaches us that the mercy of God is essentially conditioned by the penance of the sinner, but St. Faustina (or if you want Jesus according to St. Faustina) seems to present to us a mercy essentially based on the sinner’s trust ( penance seems to me to be evaded).
I think that Jesus (according to Saint Faustine) is a little too Protestant, that’s my problem …
 
St Therese of Lisieux also taught that the soul could avoid purgatory based on its trust in the mercy of God.
She got a lot of opposition to it at the time she taught it to the novices in her care.
She is now a Doctor of the Church.
 
My goodness, if you have issues with the devotion, don’t do it, it’s not required. It’s no reason to get your undergarments entangled in your nether regions.
 
My questions are bothering you? I am uncomfortable with following a Faith that seems unreasonable to me, because the Catholic Faith is reasonable.
Believing in a mercy that eludes penance, is a sin of presumption, and presumption is a sin against the Holy Spirit …
 
Relax is all I am saying. People find value in it. You don’t. I get it. Judge us on this if you want, I have no control over that. I don’t know anyone who follows this devotion that “skips” reconciliation and penance.
May your day be blessed.
 
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Your questions aren’t “bothering” me. I don’t feel any need to respond to them either, though, because you have the option of not doing the devotion.

Since it’s not a required practice for being a Catholic, and is an optional devotion, you’re free to just reject it and ignore it yourself, so there’s no reason for you to be uncomfortable with it.

We always get these threads from people who are all hung up on an optional practice and act like everybody should agree with their view. When it’s an optional practice, nobody much cares.
 
EricF said:
I don’t know anyone who follows this devotion that “skips” reconciliation and penance.
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The last Divine Mercy devotion I was at, they had three or four priests hearing confessions and each line for confession was easily 30 or 40 people long. I had actually made a point of going to confession the day before because I was worried I wouldn’t be able to get in the confessional at devotion time due to the line.
 
Tis_Bearself said:
The last Divine Mercy devotion I was at, they had three or four priests hearing confessions and each line for confession was easily 30 or 40 people long. I had actually made a point of going to confession the day before because I was worried I wouldn’t be able to get in the confessional at devotion time due to the line.
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In fact, I was talking about the virtue of penance (which is almost no longer taught) and not of the sacrament of penance (which is done almost mechanically).
The virtue of penance is suffiant to reconcile with God when there is no possibility of access to the sacrament of penance. A non-Catholic, even a non-Christian can have the virtue of penance and benefit from the mercy of God
The sacrament of penance without virtue of penance is worthless, it is pharisaism.
 
EricF said:
I don’t know anyone who follows this devotion that “skips” reconciliation and penance.
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I don’t, either. In fact, on average, my impression is that they tend more toward frequent confession.
 
I have another question:
I guess it was a thread about where a sinner would go after death, and someone came by and said that Our Lord, supposedly, would call the dying sinner to repent, before their individual judgement.
Is this true or my memory is adding things?
 
Ioannes_L said:
I have another question:
I guess it was a thread about where a sinner would go after death, and someone came by and said that Our Lord, supposedly, would call the dying sinner to repent, before their individual judgement.
Is this true or my memory is adding things?
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Hi Ioannes_L,

You could probably do a forum search for the thread…

It is mentioned somewhere in St. Faustina’s Diary where Jesus tells her that he calls a soul three times. I am probably paraphrasing a bit here, but I understood that passage in the diary to mean that he is giving a soul at least three chances to respond to him at the time of time of their death/judgment.

I have the diary, but I don’t recall where that passage is in the diary. I have been trying to find it for you, so that you can see it. 🙂
 
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Tis_Bearself:
The last Divine Mercy devotion I was at, they had three or four priests hearing confessions and each line for confession was easily 30 or 40 people long. I had actually made a point of going to confession the day before because I was worried I wouldn’t be able to get in the confessional at devotion time due to the line.
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In fact, I was talking about the virtue of penance (which is almost no longer taught) and not of the sacrament of penance (which is done almost mechanically).
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Sheesh. So does the virtue of penance give one the ability to read others’ souls? :roll_eyes:
 
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