Questions about the Old Catholic Church and Eastern Churches

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Someone recently said online asking some to join the Old Catholic Church to a Roman Catholic in the US. They said it’s ok because

“From watching the pope, on TV , on Catholic Channels, I have noticed that he acknowledges, the Eastern Churches, Polish Catholic, Byzantine , and other Catholic churches as being Apostolic, which means succession from Peter, although they are not under Rome, or the pope.”

Is this correct?:confused:
 
dfp42 said:
Someone recently said online asking some to join the Old Catholic Church to a Roman Catholic in the US. They said it’s ok because

“From watching the pope, on TV , on Catholic Channels, I have noticed that he acknowledges, the Eastern Churches, Polish Catholic, Byzantine , and other Catholic churches as being Apostolic, which means succession from Peter, although they are not under Rome, or the pope.”

Is this correct?:confused:
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There are 22 eastern Catholic churches (sui iuris) in full communion with the Supreme Pontiff.

There are even more Apostolic Churches: the Assyrian Church of the East, 6 Oriental Orthodox Churches, and the Eastern Orthodox Churches, and others such as the Polish National Catholic, Old Catholics. The Catholic church calls them particular Churches. (They are not in full communion.)
 
Does anyone know which of these sects the White Robed Monks of Saint Benedict fit into? My son is planning on getting married by one of these monks in a secular renue. Will this be a valid marriage in the Latin Catholic rite? I have emailed our parish priest, but have not received an answer.
 
dfp42 said:
Someone recently said online asking some to join the Old Catholic Church to a Roman Catholic in the US. They said it’s ok because

“From watching the pope, on TV , on Catholic Channels, I have noticed that he acknowledges, the Eastern Churches, Polish Catholic, Byzantine , and other Catholic churches as being Apostolic, which means succession from Peter, although they are not under Rome, or the pope.”

Is this correct?:confused:
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Just because a Church is apostolic does not mean it is the Church chosen by Christ. To be that Church, you must be in full communion with the Catholic Church which includes accepting the Vicar of Christ, our Holy Father the Pope.

Apostolic means you can trace your priesthood to the Apostles and so you can confer valid sacraments. It does not mean that you are able to lead a church unto all truth and the gates of Hell will not prevail against you. I think you may be confusing the two concepts or I may be reading more into your post than intended.

Yes there are apostolic priests outside of the Catholic Church (just as any Catholic priest who is in excommunication for approving an abortion might be), but that does not mean much in terms of their being orthodox or it being acceptable to attend a Mass they are administering.

God Bless.
 
jneagle said:
Does anyone know which of these sects the White Robed Monks of Saint Benedict fit into? My son is planning on getting married by one of these monks in a secular renue. Will this be a valid marriage in the Latin Catholic rite? I have emailed our parish priest, but have not received an answer.
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I believe this group is a Buddhist one . . . They have reinterpreted the Rule of Benedict to fit in with Buddhism (I’ve corresponded with them before).

Alex
 
While the Orthodox, the “Old Catholic” and several other churches are Apostolic in succession, the Catholic Church does not allow you to “join” those churches as if they were acceptable.

None of those churches are in communion with the Catholic Church. They do not accept one or more of the doctrines that the Church professes, they do not accept the authority of the Pope, and a Catholic is only to utilize the sacraments of those churches in a real emergency (such as danger of death).
 
The only reason I ask is because there are people on Fr. John Corapi’s facebook page suggesting that they join this Old Catholic Church and making it sound as if it’s simply the same thing, no different. There’s a lot of confusion online and in the faith that’s for sure.
 
The Old Catholics (which people often confuse with Traditional RCs) broke away from the RCC after Vatican I, over the issue of papal infallibility.

I was looking at their website recently; they ordain women and allow literally ANYONE to receive Communion in their churches, even homosexuals (I kid you not.)
 
Zhenia said:
The Old Catholics (which people often confuse with Traditional RCs) broke away from the RCC after Vatican I, over the issue of papal infallibility.

I was looking at their website recently; they ordain women and allow literally ANYONE to receive Communion in their churches, even homosexuals (I kid you not.)
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The only substantial Old Catholic group in north America is the PNCC, which happens to be conservative.
 
Zhenia said:
The Old Catholics (which people often confuse with Traditional RCs) broke away from the RCC after Vatican I, over the issue of papal infallibility.

I was looking at their website recently; they ordain women and allow literally ANYONE to receive Communion in their churches, even homosexuals (I kid you not.)
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That may be one of the Liberal Catholic Churches (which split into two groups in 2003 or women’s ordination) which was started by Wedgewood in 1916, ordained by Willoughby.

From the Old Catholic Church of Utrecht came the Old Roman Catholic Church of Great Britain, from which came the Liberal Catholic Church.

None of these are in communion with Rome.
 
It is my convinced opinion that certain Catholic churches in North America got slack in church discipline and became somewhat heterodox.
 
If Father Corapi is encouraging people to join the “Old Catholic Church”, then he is in open revolt against the Catholic Church.

The "Old Catholic Church is a very tiny organization, started in Poland, of people that could not and would not follow the changes instituted by the FIRST Vatican Council (Vatican I, not the Vatican Council you know, but the one under Pope St. Pius X).

That “church” has been shrinking for years. It is NOT in communion with the Catholic Church, and participating in their services is not approved for any Catholic.

That Fr. Corapi would encourage others to join that church shows just how corrupt he is. He has openly violated all of his vows, and now he wants to fracture the Roman Catholic Church by drawing his weak minded “followers” over to a Schizmatic church?

Anyone that is still following this corrupt man does not give a damn about the Catholic church, they are following a man, a man who has flouted virtually everything that the Catholic Church stands for.
 
The_Old_Medic said:
If Father Corapi is encouraging people to join the “Old Catholic Church”, then he is in open revolt against the Catholic Church.

The "Old Catholic Church is a very tiny organization, started in Poland, of people that could not and would not follow the changes instituted by the FIRST Vatican Council (Vatican I, not the Vatican Council you know, but the one under Pope St. Pius X).

That “church” has been shrinking for years. It is NOT in communion with the Catholic Church, and participating in their services is not approved for any Catholic.

That Fr. Corapi would encourage others to join that church shows just how corrupt he is. He has openly violated all of his vows, and now he wants to fracture the Roman Catholic Church by drawing his weak minded “followers” over to a Schizmatic church?

Anyone that is still following this corrupt man does not give a damn about the Catholic church, they are following a man, a man who has flouted virtually everything that the Catholic Church stands for.
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Is this real? Besides, what does Fr. Corapi encouraging people to join the Old Catholics (assuming it is true) has to do with Eastern Catholicism.?
 
ConstantineTG said:
Is this real? Besides, what does Fr. Corapi encouraging people to join the Old Catholics (assuming it is true) has to do with Eastern Catholicism.?
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NO NO NO …some lady who came on his facebook public page posted a message to Fr. Corapi asking him to join this church and made it sound like there was no difference in the Church’s etc which is why I asked the question about what this lady said not Fr. Corapi.
 
I’m of the opinion that the catholic church in N. America got slack in church discipline and became somewhat heterodox. (moral liberalism) . .
 
The Old Catholic Church is not the PNCC (Which is what I think Old Medic is trying to refer to).

It’s the descendants of the Union of Utrecht.

It’s a bush, growing various heresies, most of them pretty liberal.

The PNCC was, for a while, part of that movement, but is not now. The PNCC is pretty conservative.

The various Old Catholic groups all trace back through Utrecht, but many are no longer in communion with Utrecht.

General issues with the OCC:
Many branches have women’s ordination
Many branches have open communion

Most use simplified forms of the Latin rite.
 
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