We also know God has said the whole of creation groans; meaning created things are not getting better, they are in decline and await the renewing. Eventually when God removes “time”; then everything that ever was created ceases it existence and the new heaven and new earth, outside of time will exist forever and the unbelieving God-hating Christ-rejecters will be forever damned.
The irony… I would not say stupid, i would say uneducated. It is clear from the above you have a very limited understanding of science, one that does not even extend so far as to understanding what the word “theory” means.
But it did happen. And in the same vein people are expected to believe that “God” just exists. At least there is evidence supporting a physical theory , evidence which is growing all the time with the continuous possibility of even more knowlege.
There have been many attempts here to educate me on science, but to no avail.
Science cannot prove evolution - correct?But it did happen. And in the same vein people are expected to believe that “God” just exists. At least there is evidence supporting a physical theory , evidence which is growing all the time with the continuous possibility of even more knowlege.
And then there’s the God theory. Believed or not, nothing can prove it and no new knowlege can every be gained that is verifiable. You can pretty much believe what you want.
So we have a number of options available to us(actually really only limited by human imagination). The most common is that a God did it, or that it just happened.
God of the gaps is so meaningless I don’t know how people stand the tension of the dishonesty that surrounds this theory. Then you must get into the definition of a God which is a quagmire that is never ending and so obviously fraught with problems due to the lack of any rigorous process that can be followed by all humans to create a common view about God. Philosophy is the best you have. Although useful, it isn’t something that can be accepted by all, because it’s a personal exploration into thinking deeply. It’s relative.
This is why science has just been so unbelievably successful. We cannot just create our own “mechanism” to prove a revelation or philosophy is right as an individual with personal motivations. Science requires evidence that can be verified. Nothing about religion can be. lol!!
We don’t know, is the only honest answer we can give at this point in our human understanding. It is a place lacking in security or comfort…in fact its a very uncomfortable place to be. It’s also the reality that we live under…and…it’s rather exciting too.
And yes…it may “just” have happened. It’s not something to believe or discard, but the only other options are highly imaginative or the option that leads us to no further knowlege at all. The God option.
“But it did happen” What happened? Do you have any evidence for this or is it just wishful thinking?But it did happen. And in the same vein people are expected to believe that “God” just exists. At least there is evidence supporting a physical theory , evidence which is growing all the time with the continuous possibility of even more knowlege.
And then there’s the God theory. Believed or not, nothing can prove it and no new knowlege can every be gained that is verifiable. You can pretty much believe what you want.
So we have a number of options available to us(actually really only limited by human imagination). The most common is that a God did it, or that it just happened.
God of the gaps is so meaningless I don’t know how people stand the tension of the dishonesty that surrounds this theory. Then you must get into the definition of a God which is a quagmire that is never ending and so obviously fraught with problems due to the lack of any rigorous process that can be followed by all humans to create a common view about God. Philosophy is the best you have. Although useful, it isn’t something that can be accepted by all, because it’s a personal exploration into thinking deeply. It’s relative.
This is why science has just been so unbelievably successful. We cannot just create our own “mechanism” to prove a revelation or philosophy is right as an individual with personal motivations. Science requires evidence that can be verified. Nothing about religion can be. lol!!
We don’t know, is the only honest answer we can give at this point in our human understanding. It is a place lacking in security or comfort…in fact its a very uncomfortable place to be. It’s also the reality that we live under…and…it’s rather exciting too.
And yes…it may “just” have happened. It’s not something to believe or discard, but the only other options are highly imaginative or the option that leads us to no further knowlege at all. The God option.
Thank you for calling me “uneducated.” By academic standards I’m more educated on evolution than the average person, I think this really comes down to be disagreeing with you rather than being “uneducated.” This has little to do with education, in fact most atheists are very well educated, and I would propose on several grounds that atheism is a stupid illogical position. Your education doesn’t determine your critical thinking skills, and some very bright people have argued both for and against evolution, both sides making compelling arguments. To dismiss one side as “uneducated” is arrogant and dismissive. Either address specifics, make your case based on evidence, or just agree to disagree. Calling the other side “uneducated” accomplishes nothing and does damage to your side.
He stated that those who thought the fossil record offered more evidence for creation than evolution were uneducated rather than stupid- by no means did he refer to you personally. This is a true statement- we wouldn’t expect any transitional fossils or fossils spread over millions of years in an ID world.
If you want me to be specific it is clear from you post you don’t even understand what the word “theory” means, this is basic level science at best. Therefore it would but utterly pointless to discuss specifics aspects of evolution, as one has to have a minimal knowledge in a field before they can offer a meaningful contribution. So no, it does not come down to disagreeing with me. I’m not trying to be nasty, but would you discuss maths with someone who couldn’t even to the ten times table?
May i humbly suggest you try a university.There have been many attempts here to educate me on science, but to no avail.
But you can try again.
I hear that the University of East Anglia has a good science department. I’ll bet that their Biology department is every bit as good as their climatology department. Plus, they have a lot of experience dealing with “deniers.”
Do you think that ignorance is the same as stupidity? If so, then you’re ignorant.
is, of course, utter tripe, and shows that you don’t have a clue about the real and comprehensive evidence of evolution. This is a logical fallacy - a real one this time - called the “appeal to misleading authority” fallacy. In this case your authority seems to be yourself, although you could be getting your ideas from fact-denying propaganda sites like AiG, for example.
Been there, done that.
Wait a minute – AiG has proof that stegosaurs were saddled and ridden by Adam and Eve’s children. I’ve seen the photographs…
Why not.
I was taking ID to mean “created in it’s current form/really really close to its current form” type of deals.
Did you study Astrophysics and Geology at all while you were there? Because I’ve been trying to consider things from a perspective that evolution is, as you seem to be saying, just something made up and that Genesis is more a literal explanation of how the Universe was created…