But that’s not what ID is. That is propaganda which attempts to equate ID with young earth creationism. They are not the same. They are not close to the same. ID is not YEC in disguise.
The only disagreement ID has with “Evolution” is that some of the mutations are guided, and not random.
Or even that the conditions of reproduction are set or controlled.
A tentative insight into the natural world; a concept that is not yet verified but that if true would explain certain facts or phenomena
The more science learns, especially in the field of Biology and particularly the cell, the more evidence of a well organized and intentional “Designer”. If you were to ever look at archeology, then you would see the more evidence uncovered, then more validity it adds to the Word of God. At one time archeologist and historians said places, cities, mentioned in the Bible never existed, but as archeology progressed the Bible proved to be true and man a failure.But it did happen. And in the same vein people are expected to believe that “God” just exists. At least there is evidence supporting a physical theory , evidence which is growing all the time with the continuous possibility of even more knowlege.
And then there’s the God theory. Believed or not, nothing can prove it and no new knowlege can every be gained that is verifiable. You can pretty much believe what you want.
So we have a number of options available to us(actually really only limited by human imagination). The most common is that a God did it, or that it just happened.
God of the gaps is so meaningless I don’t know how people stand the tension of the dishonesty that surrounds this theory. Then you must get into the definition of a God which is a quagmire that is never ending and so obviously fraught with problems due to the lack of any rigorous process that can be followed by all humans to create a common view about God. Philosophy is the best you have. Although useful, it isn’t something that can be accepted by all, because it’s a personal exploration into thinking deeply. It’s relative.
This is why science has just been so unbelievably successful. We cannot just create our own “mechanism” to prove a revelation or philosophy is right as an individual with personal motivations. Science requires evidence that can be verified. Nothing about religion can be. lol!!
We don’t know, is the only honest answer we can give at this point in our human understanding. It is a place lacking in security or comfort…in fact its a very uncomfortable place to be. It’s also the reality that we live under…and…it’s rather exciting too.
And yes…it may “just” have happened. It’s not something to believe or discard, but the only other options are highly imaginative or the option that leads us to no further knowlege at all. The God option.
The fool has said in his heart, “There is no God,” They are corrupt, and have committed abominable injustice; There is no one who does good. 2 God has looked down from heaven upon the sons of men To see if there is anyone who understands, Who seeks after God.
Nobody ever claimed those forces were random- for all we know there was a 100% likely hood that they would turn out exactly as they are now.
Creationist groups have begun calling themselves ‘ID’ without changing their tactics and becoming very self righteous when this name change is not respected.
Well, I guess that proves it then.
Yes, that’s true. But there is an ID movement which is science based, and has nothing to do with YEC. In fact, it has atheists and agnostics in the movement as well.
i take it you failed evolution 101
.Dear me do you not even have the Patience to scroll down??? SAME SOURCE…
Yes, no doubt they teach evolution. Right along with methods of suppressing scientific dissent by managing the peer review process, falsification of data, creation of computer climate models specifically designed to show increasing global temperatures despite the actual data, etc.
Well to be honest i though you were kidding, if not i take it your don’t actually know what the method and peer review involves?
And apparently you haven’t heard of climategate. There are several threads here on CAF about that. Also, you could google it.
