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Janet1983
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I need to tell you something: One can only examine what is best if one knows about it.
This LINK might lead someone to believe might it not? (Even though I sincerely hope it doesn’t.)
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This LINK might lead someone to believe might it not? (Even though I sincerely hope it doesn’t.)
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dianaiad
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Indeed…and you posted the link in an answer to me. Isn’t that a tad bit like saying to an orthodox Jew…oh, don’t worry, make yourself at hom; you don’t have to eat pork here. By the way, as long as you are making a sandwich, would you throw one together for me? I’d like some ham and cheese, please…
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Janet1983
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To me the Bible is sacred… But I do not forbid anyone to post it online… Why should I? There is nothing to hide. I believe that what the Bible tells us is true and good and I want everybody to know what it says… So why is it so offensive if I post a link to information about mormonism? You should be delighted that I spread your message by talking about it.
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Janet1983
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Not it’s not like that… I posted the link in reference to you.
Take it as you like and run with it if you wish… My message to you was that you do not have to talk about the ceremonies as they are easily available online through documentation by others who do not care about any promise or who did not take it (or both in collaboration).
Oh and if you worry about the link with the doubts… that is something you can use for or against your belief: I frequently read into Catholic pages trying to refute my belief simply to know the arguments and to be prepared when they come and to then refute the doubts… You can easily turn every doubt if your religion is truthful.
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dianaiad
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Indeed you did…and you didn’t tell me which link went where.
Yes. I am aware. I’m the one who told you this.
Ok…so…what IS your religion, Janet?
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twopekinguys
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To the defense of our Mormon friends.
They make a promise not to discuss these things, just like I promise not to discuss things that are told to me in confidence.
I do everything in my power to keep my promises, and I am sure they look at it the same way.
Whether it is public record or not, a promise is a promise.
I’m on your side on this one Dianaid
They make a promise not to discuss these things, just like I promise not to discuss things that are told to me in confidence.
I do everything in my power to keep my promises, and I am sure they look at it the same way.
Whether it is public record or not, a promise is a promise.
I’m on your side on this one Dianaid
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Janet1983
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Well I did… I wrote a short comment on where which link went…
The first was about the endowment ceremony… (“is about the endowment ceremony”)
The latter was about “101 Reasonable Doubts About Mormonism”… a great way to prepare yourself for upcoming arguments if you are willing to use it that way… Some of the “doubts” presented therein might as well be applicable to me so I make sure that I can refute them easily… (The reason some apply to me is simply that the author did not only leave the mormon religion… he became an atheist.)
I do not have a religion. I have a relationship with my Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
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PRmerger
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Religion comes from Latin religare, for “relationship”.
Essentially what you are saying is, “I do not have a religion. I have a religion with my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.”
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why_me
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The temple ceremony is sacred for a mormon. It is their sacred ceremony and as such, they should not post it on the internet for public consumption. Now of course, the ceremony is on the internet but since the mormons consider it sacred and it is forbidden to make it public, Diana will not respond as to content of the ceremony. One of my mormon daughters has no idea what the temple ceremony is and she will never watch or read it on the internet because it is sacred and it is to be seen and experienced in the temple. Thus for a mormon, no outsider should watch or view the temple ceremony.
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dianaiad
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Please excuse me, Janet, and don’t take this the wrong way, but…while I appreciate your labeling the link to the endowment script…your providing ME a link to it is problematic. I have found, over the years, that those who would do that would not worry a bit if the second link got me to the same script—or to an anti-site that included that script in a way that would blindside me.
If I am doing you a grave diservice here, I’m sorry; I can only go by what history teaches me.
…and you don’t attend church anywhere, or have a group that you study with, or a group of people who agree with you regarding doctrine? No classes you attend, no pastor to listen to of a Sunday morning?
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Janet1983
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She does not have to respond to discussions about it. I did not write a single word about its contents… All I did was put out a link that is easily available for everyone on the internet. The other link I posted does not at all address the ceremony. It is more or less a collection of doubts against mormonism, some of which I saw already, other of which I have posted myself (not from this list however) and many which Diana already tried to refute…
The link for the endowment ceremony has until now only been sitting there. We are not talking about it’s contents, just about its existence and the fact that I can easily post it.
I did not make any reference as to it’s contents and you are getting upset already…
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SingleMomMonica
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If you have any questions - why not go to LDS.org. They have forums that you can ask these questions. This is what my Mormon co-worker suggested when she saw your post on my computer.Ok, so first off, this is a COMPLETELY honest and genuine thread…these are valid questions i have…last night i was reading another thread comparing Jehovah’s witnesses and Mormons…and some of the things about mormonism stuck in my head and i was up all night trying to sort it out…so…im not here to criticize or attack, i just wanna know
I’m hoping Ms. Dianaid ((<—hey…i just noticed that was one of those, you know where backwards and forwards its the same thing?? LOL)) I’m HOPING she’ll make here cuz shes one lean mean mormon machine man that chick knows her stuff!!
ok, so here it goes…and also, i’m doing this from memory…and mine isnt that great…so…if im wrong on any of these, please correct me, but also please dont forget to answer the question…oh yeah, and answer honestly, sometimes people get caught up in the correction, or they only give ‘half truths’…
First, what I’ve gathered:
-Jesus = Jehovah
-Jesus is NOT the heavenly father
-when we die, we may become Gods, and we will be able to be a God to our own planet, of which we will populate with our wife
I’m really unclear on the whole how the heavenly father impregnated Mary thing, I’ve heard it was physically, like he was a man??? If you could clarify that’d be cool…
I’ve also THOUGHT i seen somewhere that Jesus was the start of humanity … or something like that…
ok so heres the Q’s…
Thnx…just those questions drove me crazy last night…i think in growing in other faiths its really helping me grow in mine, so i appreciate everyones tolerance on this thread …
- Do you get to pick, or is the planet given to you?
- If your wife dies first, does SHE get to pick the planet? or…where does she go until you get there and pick it out?
- With what we know about the universe expanding, and ultimately disappearing into nothingness…what does that mean for the Gods of the planets on the universes outer edges? When, or if, the universe fades out into nothingness, what becomes of your Gods then?
Was Jesus the God that populated THIS earth? if not who was?
How could Jesus have been the start of humanity when there were people before him?
If it WAS Jesus, than why doesnt he reside over this planet, why do you believe that he lives on a planet near the star KOBOL? or kobal…however its spelled???
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Janet1983
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I do attend a church and I do so frequently. It even does have a denomination, but almost all members do not see themselves as part of a religion. All I ever talked to say that they do have a relationship with Jesus Christ. I am not religious in the sense that I just go through various rites. My faith is involving my whole life from the moment I wake up until the moment I fall asleep ever day.
By saying that I do not have a religion I do acknowledge the fact that I cannot find God. He finds me and saves me. A religion is based upon mankind giving honor to a god, several gods, a principle etc. Religion is man’s quest to find God. Nobody can however find the Lord unless He draws him. I do have a relationship in that sense because I am a child of God. He saved me and made me His own. Because of this I have a relationship with Him that goes far beyond anything religion could ever do.
Of course I do not forsake the assembly and I meet up with other Christians. Iron sharpens iron and I surely still need a lot of sharpening now and in the future.
Concerning its definition (Webster):
Main Entry: re·li·gion
Pronunciation: \ri-ˈli-jən
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English religioun, from Anglo-French religiun, Latin religion-, religio supernatural constraint, sanction, religious practice, perhaps from religare to restrain, tie back — more at rely
Date: 13th century
1 a : the state of a religious <a nun in her 20th year of religion> b (1) : the service and worship of God or the supernatural (2) : commitment or devotion to religious faith or observance
2 : a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices
3 archaic : scrupulous conformity : conscientiousness
4 : a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith
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Janet1983
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I might as well ask my in-laws, but they told me never to mention it again… And I was purposely being really really really nice about it and I mean really nice like extra careful not to go too far. Why did I try? I had to because I love them, they are wonderful people… The true question is whether or not we love enough to risk to disagree and invest time into the problem. I was brand new to the subject when I married 2 years ago and now I can quote from the BoM, the D&C, the PGP as good as I can from the Bible. I am from a catholic background with nearly all of my family being catholic (with a few exceptions here and there). My husband is from a mormon background with half of his family being mormon.
I’d so like to say that everything is good and that I do not have to worry, but I simply can’t.
It tears me up inside and I would so like to find an answer.
Life would be so much easier if they were on the right path, but there is nothing that could prove me that either side of the family is on the straight and narrow and the more I debate the clearer the picture becomes. I want to find an excuse for them, but there is none. The evidence is suffocating and they do not listen. Half of the members on both sides of the family are only nominal anyways… I was actually the only catholic in my family who would go to mass… On his side… for some well it is a ritual that you do because you do it. (There are also some who are very devout mormons.) I cannot tell how much they are interested in knowing the Lord. I just know that mentioning of any spiritual topic gets me to back off quickly.
I am seeking for answers a doctrinal page will not give me.
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Janet1983
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I’ll just copy what I wrote for Diana…Religion comes from Latin religare, for “relationship”.
Essentially what you are saying is, “I do not have a religion. I have a religion with my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.”
I do attend a church and I do so frequently. It even does have a denomination, but almost all members do not see themselves as part of a religion. All I ever talked to say that they do have a relationship with Jesus Christ. I am not religious in the sense that I just go through various rites. My faith is involving my whole life from the moment I wake up until the moment I fall asleep ever day.
By saying that I do not have a religion I do acknowledge the fact that I cannot find God. He finds me and saves me. A religion is based upon mankind giving honor to a god, several gods, a principle etc. Religion is man’s quest to find God. Nobody can however find the Lord unless He draws him. I do have a relationship in that sense because I am a child of God. He saved me and made me His own. Because of this I have a relationship with Him that goes far beyond anything religion could ever do.
Of course I do not forsake the assembly and I meet up with other Christians. Iron sharpens iron and I surely still need a lot of sharpening now and in the future.
Concerning its definition (Webster):
Main Entry: re·li·gion
Pronunciation: \ri-ˈli-jən
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English religioun, from Anglo-French religiun, Latin religion-, religio supernatural constraint, sanction, religious practice, perhaps from religare to restrain, tie back — more at rely
Date: 13th century
1 a : the state of a religious <a nun in her 20th year of religion> b (1) : the service and worship of God or the supernatural (2) : commitment or devotion to religious faith or observance
2 : a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices
3 archaic : scrupulous conformity : conscientiousness
4 : a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith
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ricko
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Originally Posted by why me
It is unfortunate that we can not say the same about some of the catholic posters, many of the catholic posters are rude nd disrespectful to the mormon faith which has nothing to do with the catholic church and has nothing to do with truth. But has much to do with them representing the catholic faith.
All true. I have said it before and I will say it again, some catholic posters on the mormon threads misrepresent the catholic faith through their bashing and mocking. Itis uncatholic.
But don’t make this about me, Religio. Stick to the topic and if you want you can comment about what I posted. But don’t make this about me.
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dianaiad
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I see…so even though you attend services at a specific denomination, ‘fellowship’ with them, and presumably share doctrine and learning with them (they agree with you, you agree with them…) you do not see this as matching definitions 2 and 4?
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ricko
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The only thing we have to fear is…FEAR !!!Charlotte408,
Since I noticed you came back to this thread yesterday wondering about Joseph Smith when he became a topic of discussion, and would probably be wondering now about how it comes about that after someone has asked genuine questions such as you did, why other Catholics begin posting with such furor and rancor and bitterness. It becomes like a “theater of the absurd”.
They manifest underpinnings of fear–those who have deep fear themselves want to spread their own fear around. Such people, with such bitterness, seem to have little sense of peace within their own heart. The tension that comes across in their writing is palpable. Christ offers peace, but they seem to want none of the peace He offers. I wish their current religious beliefs would bring it to their hearts, so they could share peace rather than the ongoing tension that never seems to dissipate from their communications. That’s why this medium ends up being a poor one for someone such as yourself to get honest, sincere questions answered. God bless you in your research, and may you have peace in your own life. What a lovely daughter you have.
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dianaiad
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Janet, we’ve been ‘burned’ too often. People do not tend to treat LDS beliefs, or people, with courtesy. Certainly when a fundamentalist Christian gets me trapped in a discussion, I know that I’m really 'in for it…" and it is frustrating as hell, not to put too fine a point on it.
Your best bet, and I understand just how frustrating this is because you obviously haven’t been trained to think this way, is to FORGET THAT THEY ARE MORMONS.
Just be yourself, live your life, and if you find something that excites you about your beliefs, bring that up. Discuss what YOU believe to be true. Talk about that.
But if you can’t do that without referencing what you think that the Mormons believe, you are going to lose them. They aren’t interested. Too many people do that, y’know…and frankly, you do that right here. Those links you gave me; that’s just more of the same.
Frankly, Janet, if I didn’t honestly put some hard slogging work into finding out what other people believe on my own the only thing I would know about what non-Mormons believe is that they think they know what WE believe, and whatever that is, they don’t believe that.
Not helpful, y’know?
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PRmerger
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No one asked if you were religious in the sense that you just go through various rites. That’s kooky! Anyone who claims that on this forum will get knocked upside the head!
Hey! That’s what my religion says!
My religion teaches that it’s God’s quest to find man. God initiates in this relationship (i.e. religion), and we respond.
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