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why_me
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And that is wise. Instead of bashing posters or a specific religion, we can pray for them. I like that too.We can pray for him.
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why_me
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Ever since I declared myself lds and catholic I have experienced nothing but attacks. But I certainly did not experience love and mercy. Now what a message that would have sent: to post with love and mercy, attempting to understand my circumstances and why I declare myself to be both. ButâŚthe mocking, hate and mocking went on and on. And that my friend is not catholic. As the link stated: love and mercy is the key for dialogue.
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why_me
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No problem, at least you made a response!
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why_me
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I never said that it was justified. But the link that I posted did make other claims. And context is a good understanding of what BY said and with other subjects as MMM.
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why_me
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I hope that you will read point 3 and understand why love and mercy are important for catholic dialogue.Thank you for that!!!
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Charlotte408
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why_me
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If a person says to someone that they find what they are doing abusive and harassing I would always recommend that that person should stop that behavior. Whether or not the poster who is doing the âabusingâ thinks it is abusive is not important. I have told him to stop and he refused to listen and he even underlined it and reposted it. That is abusive.
Lets look at it this way: more people do this: just paste and repost someones post by underlining the posters sentences to make a point. Where is the dialogue? What is the purpose? In this case, it was to annoy.
And no one should have fun at someone elseâs expense.
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why_me
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You see charlotte now you are doing the correct thing. I see a response and that is wonderful. And I am glad that you are seeing what is in blue. As you are becoming a catholic again, it becomes sooooooo important to show love and mercy. I have said my favorite saints that have shown such love and mercy: saint faustina, mother cabrini, katherine drexel, mother teresa and the little flower, saint therese. Good examples to follow and one can not lose by following their examples.meâŚ
I hope you do set a good example for the other catholic posters!
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Charlotte408
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ok so, my fellow catholicsâŚplease dont put me on ignore or shun me from societyâŚlolâŚ
but i think i might give these mormons some ammoâŚ
so i was thinkingâŚrightâŚi took an astrology classâŚandâŚim not astro physiscittistâŚ(eek) but i know that there are, globular clustersâŚand within those globular clusters are many, many galaxiesâŚand within each galaxy there are many, many solar systemsâŚand each planet, and essentially everything in it came from a star that had exploded at one time (its inner stuff floating around, being ⌠shoot what was that stuff calledâŚanyways it crashes, makes a new star, rinse repeatâŚ)
so i was thinkingâŚive heard it before that like, our soulsâŚare energyâŚenergy is what makes pretty much everything tick rightâŚandâŚlike, what if it is a circle?? like when a star dies, in a very lengthy way, theyre recycledâŚso like, what if when we die, the energy part of us goes back to some main source of energyâŚand we becomeâŚidkâŚstarsâŚand then when we, as a star, explodeâŚwe createâŚoh NEBULA thats the wordâŚok soâŚyou know, its this big olâ long process (kinda like what theyre saying about âprogressingâ) and eventually we have our own planet, or solar systemâŚor heck even globular clusterâŚand if everything in that planet, solar system, or globular cluster came from you, in a way, it would be yoursâŚand theres enough of emâ to account for all the people past, and enough room in the ever expanding universe for people futureâŚ
idkâŚbeen tossing and turning for the past 3 hours ((major single mom boredom insomnia)) so im just thinking about all the stuff i gots crammed in meh brainâŚ
i dont know if iâd ever feel comfortable, though, to refer to myselfâŚas a godâŚorâŚeven entertain the notion that i might one day be a godâŚit just doesnt seem very humbleâŚit just seems like that title should only belong to the one, supreme beingâŚnot little old me, that He createdâŚtrue, i would LOVE to be considered a âsaintâ or something of the sortâŚwhich doesnt put me on the same level, but just beneath himâŚand then i think, doesnt the bible say that there ARE NO other gods? thats why paganism is supposedly so wrong? there are no other gods and no other god should be put before me?? if some progress into gods, than thats a big olâ contradictionâŚ
but i think i might give these mormons some ammoâŚ
so i was thinkingâŚrightâŚi took an astrology classâŚandâŚim not astro physiscittistâŚ(
eek) but i know that there are, globular clustersâŚand within those globular clusters are many, many galaxiesâŚand within each galaxy there are many, many solar systemsâŚand each planet, and essentially everything in it came from a star that had exploded at one time (its inner stuff floating around, being ⌠shoot what was that stuff calledâŚanyways it crashes, makes a new star, rinse repeatâŚ)so i was thinkingâŚive heard it before that like, our soulsâŚare energyâŚenergy is what makes pretty much everything tick rightâŚandâŚlike, what if it is a circle?? like when a star dies, in a very lengthy way, theyre recycledâŚso like, what if when we die, the energy part of us goes back to some main source of energyâŚand we becomeâŚidkâŚstarsâŚand then when we, as a star, explodeâŚwe createâŚoh NEBULA thats the wordâŚok soâŚyou know, its this big olâ long process (kinda like what theyre saying about âprogressingâ) and eventually we have our own planet, or solar systemâŚor heck even globular clusterâŚand if everything in that planet, solar system, or globular cluster came from you, in a way, it would be yoursâŚand theres enough of emâ to account for all the people past, and enough room in the ever expanding universe for people futureâŚ
idkâŚbeen tossing and turning for the past 3 hours ((major single mom boredom insomnia)) so im just thinking about all the stuff i gots crammed in meh brainâŚ
i dont know if iâd ever feel comfortable, though, to refer to myselfâŚas a godâŚorâŚeven entertain the notion that i might one day be a godâŚit just doesnt seem very humbleâŚit just seems like that title should only belong to the one, supreme beingâŚnot little old me, that He createdâŚtrue, i would LOVE to be considered a âsaintâ or something of the sortâŚwhich doesnt put me on the same level, but just beneath himâŚand then i think, doesnt the bible say that there ARE NO other gods? thats why paganism is supposedly so wrong? there are no other gods and no other god should be put before me?? if some progress into gods, than thats a big olâ contradictionâŚ
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dianaiad
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No?
Well, imagine this: you are Andrea Yeats. (Sheâs the Texas woman who drowned her five children in a bathtub.) You committed this act when you were insane, and not really responsible for your actions. One day, however, you wake up, and you are saneâand your children are still dead. At your hand.
Can you imagine a hell, or a punishment, worse than that?
I canât. Physical pain would be a relief. It would distract my mind from the eternal remorse, guilt and knowledge of what I had done.
The difference, of course, is that Andrea (since she was indeed insane) only has to suffer this here; she has the hope of Christâs atonement and the forgiveness of Him and her children, eventually. People like GacyâŚprobably donât.
and neither do weâŚthough in both cases (Catholic folks and Mormon folks) that is more in the script than in the action. After all, you are assuming that Gacy is in hell, and there is no more popular an assumption in the world than that Hitler is (and hey, weâre probably right about that last.)
Possibly. All we understand of it is that itâs better than here, but by no means exaltation.As well, we believe in a pre-existence as spirits before our births, these folks arenât going to be 'sitting around talking about their exploits, and âconquests.â" They will be achingly aware of just how badly they screwed up, and just what they could have done, instead.
Of course you donât agree with it. If you did, youâd be Mormon.
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dianaiad
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Tell meâŚand I have never been to confession so this is an honest questionâŚ
If a thief goes to confession, admits to stealing something, and asks for absolution, is the only penance he is assigned âprayer?â
Isnât he told to go make restitution, as well?
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ParkerD
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Good morning, Charlotte,ok so, my fellow catholicsâŚplease dont put me on ignore or shun me from societyâŚlolâŚ
but i think i might give these mormons some ammoâŚ
so i was thinkingâŚrightâŚi took an astrology classâŚandâŚim not astro physiscittistâŚ(
so i was thinkingâŚive heard it before that like, our soulsâŚare energyâŚenergy is what makes pretty much everything tick rightâŚandâŚlike, what if it is a circle?? like when a star dies, in a very lengthy way, theyre recycledâŚso like, what if when we die, the energy part of us goes back to some main source of energyâŚand we becomeâŚidkâŚstarsâŚand then when we, as a star, explodeâŚwe createâŚoh NEBULA thats the wordâŚok soâŚyou know, its this big olâ long process (kinda like what theyre saying about âprogressingâ) and eventually we have our own planet, or solar systemâŚor heck even globular clusterâŚand if everything in that planet, solar system, or globular cluster came from you, in a way, it would be yoursâŚand theres enough of emâ to account for all the people past, and enough room in the ever expanding universe for people futureâŚ
idkâŚbeen tossing and turning for the past 3 hours ((major single mom boredom insomnia)) so im just thinking about all the stuff i gots crammed in meh brainâŚ
i dont know if iâd ever feel comfortable, though, to refer to myselfâŚas a godâŚorâŚeven entertain the notion that i might one day be a godâŚit just doesnt seem very humbleâŚit just seems like that title should only belong to the one, supreme beingâŚnot little old me, that He createdâŚtrue, i would LOVE to be considered a âsaintâ or something of the sortâŚwhich doesnt put me on the same level, but just beneath himâŚand then i think, doesnt the bible say that there ARE NO other gods? thats why paganism is supposedly so wrong? there are no other gods and no other god should be put before me?? if some progress into gods, than thats a big olâ contradictionâŚ
I enjoy your humor and insight, both. Thanks.
If all of the attributes that make God, God, are considered âsubstanceâ, then to say there are no other âgodsâ would be to say there is no other âsubstanceâ that has the attributes God has. Certainly, pagan beliefs about any other sort of divine energy source are incompatible with a belief in the single, omnipotent and omniscient and all-loving substance that is the substance called âGod.â When Christ offered the magnificently profound Intercessory prayer as recorded in the Bible in John 17, He asked (v. 21-23),
"That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
"And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
âI in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.â
To my way of thinking, those verses say God the Father loves us enough that He provided a way that we could become like Him, and like the Savior, with glory that surpasses our understanding, but it would be completely selfless just as Christ was completely selfless in what He did for all of us. It would mean to have the same âsubstanceâ that They have, but yet would not be âon the same levelâ because how mere mortals would have âgotten thereâ will have been only through Christâs perfect and infinite grace. No way would such an one consider themselves âon the same levelâ, but would continue to be awe-inspired and grateful beyond any ability to express it.
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dianaiad
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Hereâs my canned answer: I am here because this is non-Catholic religions. It is specifically for the discussion of non-Catholic religions.
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dianaiad
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You have some Carl Sagan going in in thereâŚâWeâre made of star stuff. We are a way for the cosmos to know itself.â Iâve always thought that this was an incredibly insightfulâand ironicâcomment for a fanatic atheist to make.ok so, my fellow catholicsâŚplease dont put me on ignore or shun me from societyâŚlolâŚ
but i think i might give these mormons some ammoâŚ
so i was thinkingâŚrightâŚi took an astrology classâŚandâŚim not astro physiscittistâŚ(
so i was thinkingâŚive heard it before that like, our soulsâŚare energyâŚenergy is what makes pretty much everything tick rightâŚandâŚlike, what if it is a circle?? like when a star dies, in a very lengthy way, theyre recycledâŚso like, what if when we die, the energy part of us goes back to some main source of energyâŚand we becomeâŚidkâŚstarsâŚand then when we, as a star, explodeâŚwe createâŚoh NEBULA thats the wordâŚok soâŚyou know, its this big olâ long process (kinda like what theyre saying about âprogressingâ) and eventually we have our own planet, or solar systemâŚor heck even globular clusterâŚand if everything in that planet, solar system, or globular cluster came from you, in a way, it would be yoursâŚand theres enough of emâ to account for all the people past, and enough room in the ever expanding universe for people futureâŚ
idkâŚbeen tossing and turning for the past 3 hours ((major single mom boredom insomnia)) so im just thinking about all the stuff i gots crammed in meh brainâŚ
i dont know if iâd ever feel comfortable, though, to refer to myselfâŚas a godâŚorâŚeven entertain the notion that i might one day be a godâŚit just doesnt seem very humbleâŚit just seems like that title should only belong to the one, supreme beingâŚnot little old me, that He createdâŚtrue, i would LOVE to be considered a âsaintâ or something of the sortâŚwhich doesnt put me on the same level, but just beneath himâŚand then i think, doesnt the bible say that there ARE NO other gods? thats why paganism is supposedly so wrong? there are no other gods and no other god should be put before me?? if some progress into gods, than thats a big olâ contradictionâŚ
âŚand you learned all about star stuff in astrology class? (Donâcha just LOVE the spell checker?)
We do not believe that we will ever be âequalâ to God the FatherâHe will always be our Father, the Creator of the universe, and there will never be âanother godâ beside Him, no matter how far WE progress in learning and abilities.
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zaffiroborant
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What does 'from all eternity to all eternity" mean? I donât understand this any more than the bunch of eternities thing.
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twopekinguys
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Andrea Yates is a bad example for me, that case brings up so many things I see wrong with the Judicial system, that I would end up getting banned. But I understand where you were going with it. That is a whole new forum (not just thread) in itself.No?
Well, imagine this: you are Andrea Yeats. (Sheâs the Texas woman who drowned her five children in a bathtub.) You committed this act when you were insane, and not really responsible for your actions. One day, however, you wake up, and you are saneâand your children are still dead. At your hand.
Can you imagine a hell, or a punishment, worse than that?
I canât. Physical pain would be a relief. It would distract my mind from the eternal remorse, guilt and knowledge of what I had done.
The difference, of course, is that Andrea (since she was indeed insane) only has to suffer this here; she has the hope of Christâs atonement and the forgiveness of Him and her children, eventually. People like GacyâŚprobably donât.
and neither do weâŚthough in both cases (Catholic folks and Mormon folks) that is more in the script than in the action. After all, you are assuming that Gacy is in hell, and there is no more popular an assumption in the world than that Hitler is (and hey, weâre probably right about that last.)
Possibly. All we understand of it is that itâs better than here, but by no means exaltation.As well, we believe in a pre-existence as spirits before our births, these folks arenât going to be 'sitting around talking about their exploits, and âconquests.â" They will be achingly aware of just how badly they screwed up, and just what they could have done, instead.
Of course you donât agree with it. If you did, youâd be Mormon.
Thanks for the answers.
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Re: Questions for MormonsâŚ
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Ever since I declared myself lds and catholic I have experienced nothing but attacks. But I certainly did not experience love and mercy. Now what a message that would have sent: to post with love and mercy, attempting to understand my circumstances and why I declare myself to be both. ButâŚthe mocking, hate and mocking went on and on. And that my friend is not catholic. As the link stated: love and mercy is the key for dialogue.
I know that the truth hurts at times. I know that you agree with me because you did not comment on what I wrote but only underlined the important clincher sentence. Think of what a wonderful thread this would have been if some catholic posters would have shown mercy and love to the mormon posters�?? It would have been a wonderful thread.
And not showing love and mercy is far from catholicism and what it teaches.
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Re: Questions for MormonsâŚ
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Originally Posted by why me
Ever since I declared myself lds and catholic I have experienced nothing but attacks. But I certainly did not experience love and mercy. Now what a message that would have sent: to post with love and mercy, attempting to understand my circumstances and why I declare myself to be both. ButâŚthe mocking, hate and mocking went on and on. And that my friend is not catholic. As the link stated: love and mercy is the key for dialogue.
I know that the truth hurts at times. I know that you agree with me because you did not comment on what I wrote but only underlined the important clincher sentence. Think of what a wonderful thread this would have been if some catholic posters would have shown mercy and love to the mormon posters�?? It would have been a wonderful thread.
And not showing love and mercy is far from catholicism and what it teaches.
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ParkerD
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Zaffiroborant,
You have asked another complex question, and here is a complex answer that may or may not make sense, but Iâm going to try:
If one thinks of God the Father as living outside of our present universe and our present conditions of time, and that He and Christ created this universe and set up the conditions of time that we observe in this universe, then one can say âfrom all eternity to all eternity They are the same omnipotent, eternal, omniscient, unified Creatorsâ of this universe.
In order for humankind to learn to have the kind of faith necessary to be active Agents within this universe, whereby such an Agent (at a far future point in time) can command with faith and with perfect love, and the elements or matter or energy obey the command, then that faith must be perfect. That faith must have not the slightest imperfectionâno element or shadow of doubt, no element of fear, no hesitation about whether the desired outcome is right, no hesitation about the love for truth and goodness and right action (filled with love) felt within the heart and soul of such an Agent.
The only way such faith can be attained is to know assuredly that God has all knowledge and all power, and that within the present eternal scope of our understanding such knowledge and power is unchanging and unchangeable. This is our frame of reference, and we must have this frame of reference in order to give all of our allegiance and loyalty to God, all of our faith, all of our love, and all of our trust.
Why is that? Because what we are being asked to do in this world is to trust that the Savior can really do what He said He was going to doâto bring us back into Godâs presence in a state of being like Them. If we have the slightest doubt or mistrust as to whether such a thing is possible, we will withhold some of our trust, or we will find reasons not to trust and when the ârains come, and the winds blow,â then we will not finish the path we started on. We will look for an easier path.
There are three Bible passages (among many others) that can give insight on this subject:
- John 17: 2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. - 2 Corinthians 4: 17 For our light affliction, which is but for a moment, worketh for us a far more exceeding and eternal weight of glory;
18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal. - Revelation 22: 12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
When Christ said He is âAlpha and Omega, the beginning and the end,â He is saying as far as I have understood, that He was perfect in the beginning of this eternity which is our time frame, and He continues to be perfect throughout all this eternity, at every point. When this eternity began, He was God. Thus we can trust Him without any hesitation. We can trust Him to bring us to the condition He promised, which is to become truly One with Him and One with the Father. So in short, the use of the word âeternityâ is about trust: our trust in our Savior and Redeemer and King Emmanuel.
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maybe âfrom all eternity to all eternityâ is similar to the Eastern Catholic and Orthodox phrase âunto the ages of agesâ 
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