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Brother_John
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Oh, you must have met my 15-year-old…The “nature of the animal” is that…7th and 8th graders don’t accept a lot of authority. They know it all. Just ask them!
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Yerusalyim
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Brother John,
Our statements disagree because you begin by saying UNFORTUNATELY. I do not view the mentioned circumstance as UNFORTUNATE…rather, I view it as GREAT!
Our statements disagree because you begin by saying UNFORTUNATELY. I do not view the mentioned circumstance as UNFORTUNATE…rather, I view it as GREAT!
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Brother_John
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My use of the word “unfortunately” referred to the idea that we can no longer sit them in a room and preach the BC to them verbatim…which is how many would like to believe it still should be done.
It seems we agree in principle, if not in verbage.
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mschrank
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Unfortunately, yes, that’s how its taught to people sometimes. The Church does a bad job at catechising, especially back pre vatican-ii.
Catholics believe the faith is reasonable, so argument from authority, although not invalid, should almost never be used. A good reason can be given for everything.
It has nothing to do with postmodernism. Go to wikipedia and read up on the subject.
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peary
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**I disagree. I’m a pre-Vatican II Catholic and the Faith was explained very thoroughly in catechism classes by very dedicated sisters. And you also must remember that children and adolescents do NOT think like adults think, simply because their brains are not developed enough to do so. But very seldom were we ever told to believe something “because the Church says so.” Rather, it was explained to us as a mystery of the Faith which the Church protects and preserves for us through the Holy Spirit.
More Catholic Christians knew about the Faith prior to Vatican II than the two generations following Vatican II. You are unfortunately either misguided in your supposition or you yourself were taught weakly.**
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latinmasslover
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To say “especially pre-V-2” is a little off, I think. Back then the Communion line was shorter, meaning that people at least knew that they were receiving the Body of Christ and had better not receive if they weren’t…behaving as they should.
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latinmasslover
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How unfortunate. I didn’t regularly attend CCD, didn’t care about religion much, left the Church as a teen - returned at 17 and spent about 6 months studying the Faith (it was 6 months before my Confimation class was to begin) and I knew more about the Faith than any of the other 17-18 year olds who’d been “catechized” up until that point. It was so pathetic, I couldn’t believe it!
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Yerusalyim
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Well, I take a slightly different view…I’m not really a big fan of BC, it is useful, but not very intellectually stimulating. I have sat down with my kids and discussed the CCC, not just read it, but discussed it…
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peary
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I agree with you. The Baltimore catechism actually didn’t ‘explain’ anything. Rather, it was set in question/answer form, and you learned it by rote. However, you DID learn the letter of the faith, but not much ‘spirit’ of the faith, although it kept the faithful ‘faithful’.
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ProVobis
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So did Vatican II fully explain all those things that children asked? So now do we know whether Jesus had any siblings or what His hobbies were when he was young? If not, then why do we distinguish between pre-Vatican and post-Vatican in terms of questions children and adults frequently ask about their faith? I still don’t know if God can create a rock so heavy He Himself can’t lift it. And other such important stuff. 
Does Vatican II answer such questions or did it just create an “It’s ok to ask metaphysical questions” environment? I didn’t realize that pre-Vatican II sins had consisted of questioning anything of this nature.
Does Vatican II answer such questions or did it just create an “It’s ok to ask metaphysical questions” environment? I didn’t realize that pre-Vatican II sins had consisted of questioning anything of this nature.
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peary
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**Those are protestant concerns and can be dismissed.So did Vatican II fully explain all those things that children asked? So now do we know whether Jesus had any siblings or what His hobbies were when he was young? If not, then why do we distinguish between pre-Vatican and post-Vatican in terms of questions children and adults frequently ask about their faith? I still don’t know if God can create a rock so heavy He Himself can’t lift it. And other such important stuff.
However, to be fair to the Vatican II documents, most are straightforward when it comes to the Church and Church doctrine -there was no significant change with regard to this. The only thing tackled that was nebulous was ecumenism as well as how we should respond to our “seperated brethren” - our prot friends in Christ. And the Catechism of the Catholic Church was developed straight out of the Vatican II documents.**
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