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I hope this is the best place to post this. He keeps pointing out similarities between pagan religions and Christianity, things such as Horus saying “I am the way, the truth, the life” and Hades being cast out from “Heaven” to rule the Underworld, just as Lucifer was cast out. I know there’s gotta be an answer to this, but I don’t know the answer. Is there anywhere I can read up on this, or does anyone here have an answer? :confused:
 
Greeks believed in Gods, and we believe in a god. They had priests, and we have priests. They sacrificed to their gods, and we offer sacrifice. Some gods had sons, and our god did too.

So what?

Similarity does not prove that Christianity descended from pagan sources. That is absurd. Isn’t it more likely that God has placed a desire deep inside every person to want to know him, and that many, without guidance from the revealed leaders of Christ (ie, bishops and the Pope), they will still reproduce many similar methods of prayer and belief as they attempt to fulfill this urge to know God?
 
things such as Horus saying “I am the way, the truth, the life”
Ask for his source for this statement. I seem to remember that a book decoding hieroglyphics that way has been thoroughly refuted by more modern scholars. I wish I could remember where I read about that. 😦
and Hades being cast out from “Heaven” to rule the Underworld, just as Lucifer was cast out.
Get him to do a point-by-point comparison of the Greek myth with the Bible, or do it with him. The large differences should become obvious - for example, to the Greeks, everyone that died wound up in Hades. It was the abode of the dead.

Remember to be charitable, and to give him room to think for himself. Instead of telling him he’s WRONG, ask questions. “But what about this?” and “Why do you think that?”

Praying for both of you,
 
When your friend makes claims like this have them prove it. To my knowledge Horus never said “I am the way, the truth, and the light.”
 
Greeks believed in Gods, and we believe in a god. They had priests, and we have priests. They sacrificed to their gods, and we offer sacrifice. Some gods had sons, and our god did too.

So what?

Similarity does not prove that Christianity descended from pagan sources. That is absurd. Isn’t it more likely that God has placed a desire deep inside every person to want to know him, and that many, without guidance from the revealed leaders of Christ (ie, bishops and the Pope), they will still reproduce many similar methods of prayer and belief as they attempt to fulfill this urge to know God?
Well said!
 
I hope this is the best place to post this. He keeps pointing out similarities between pagan religions and Christianity, things such as Horus saying “I am the way, the truth, the life” and Hades being cast out from “Heaven” to rule the Underworld, just as Lucifer was cast out. I know there’s gotta be an answer to this, but I don’t know the answer. Is there anywhere I can read up on this, or does anyone here have an answer? :confused:
Ask him to cite a scholarly source that supports the notion. The vast majority of these similarities are a myth. I know of no record of Horus saying anything of the sort. There are several websites out there that make the claim, as well as a few “films”, and probably a whole lot of youtube videos, but they are not scholarly sources.
 
When your friend makes claims like this have them prove it. To my knowledge Horus never said “I am the way, the truth, and the light.”
In modern times many don’t believe that Horus exist[s/ed]. So I don’t think they believe that Horus said anything, only that there are reports that Horus had said something.

That being said there are some reports that Horus is claimed to have said:

“I have created myself with Nu, in the name of “Khepera.” I exist in them like Ra. I am the Lord of Light.”

This statement is often compared with Jesus being claimed to have said “I am the light of the world…I am the way, the truth and the life.”

Horus is also claimed to have said: *“I have given bread to the hungry man and water to the thirsty man and clothing to the naked person and a boat to the shipwrecked mariner.”
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Which is compared with the claim that Jesus had said:

“For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: Naked, and ye clothed me”
I know there’s gotta be an answer to this, but I don’t know the answer. Is there anywhere I can read up on this, or does anyone here have an answer? :confused:
A popular answer (in the region where I live) seems to be that the devil knew what Yahweh was going to write and decided to set up false religions that would say similar things before Yahweh’s word got out. Not suggesting that you say that, but just sharing an answer that I’ve often heard (which personally I can’t help but feel to be a lame answer).
 
Is it just me, or does Horus bear little resemblance to Jesus?

http://www.imperialteutonicorder.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/sacredheartjesus.jpg http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...rus_standing.svg/220px-Horus_standing.svg.png

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Seriously, one cannot believe everything read on the Internet. Does the friend mentioned in the OP have the source of the quote she claims Horus uttered long before Jesus?
Haha nice pics. But no, he doesn’t. It’s all bogus.
 
I would say that the idea of sacrifice stems from self-hate, projected onto an external scapegoat or “patsy”, all in an attempt to void one’s guilty feelings of murdering God by separating from Him.

As such, because the separation from God is a universal phenomenon, all living entities exist under the duress of self-loathing and yearn to find an expiation. God did not devise sin, death, and sacrifice. It was all an invention devised by ourselves in an ingenious attempt to justify our lives in an otherwise absurd cosmos which condemns us at every moment.
 
Seriously, one cannot believe everything read on the Internet. Does the friend mentioned in the OP have the source of the quote she claims Horus uttered long before Jesus?
In the case of Horus it’s in the Egyptian book of the dead. The places where there are similarities with the Christian bibles and other myths were known before the general availability of the Internet as did disagreements on the reasons for the similarities and whether or not they suggest anything.
 
In the case of Horus it’s in the Egyptian book of the dead. The places where there are similarities with the Christian bibles and other myths were known before the general availability of the Internet as did disagreements on the reasons for the similarities and whether or not they suggest anything.
In the case of Horus, it’s NOT the book of the dead. Other than being a deity and performing miracles,there isn’t really any described similarities within.
 
I hope this is the best place to post this. He keeps pointing out similarities between pagan religions and Christianity, things such as Horus saying “I am the way, the truth, the life” and Hades being cast out from “Heaven” to rule the Underworld, just as Lucifer was cast out. I know there’s gotta be an answer to this, but I don’t know the answer. Is there anywhere I can read up on this, or does anyone here have an answer? :confused:
Hi Burubara, you raise some interesting points.

The similarity between Christianity and pagan religions is, at best, superficial. Purported parallels such as dying and rising gods, baptism (for instance, in the Mithras cult), are hardly credible once one considers the context in which these disparate religions developed (Christianity came from Judaism and adopted mostly Jewish beliefs and practices), the historical evidence for pagan claims, etc.

Is Jesus just like a pagan dying-and-rising god? Well, no. Pagan gods reflected the order of nature and, just as crops die and rise with the seasonal cycle, or the Nile falls and rises, so these gods were perceived. Jesus was a flesh and blood human being. He was actually, historically crucified (and thus died) and his followers claimed to have witnessed him rise again. If you had gone to someone in the first century world and told them you witnessed a pagan god rise again, they would not take you seriously nor literally. Yet this is how Christians understood Jesus’ rising - look at what the Gospels attest, what Paul says, what John says.

If Horus said he was the “Lord of light” that cannot be akin to Jesus’ saying. Again, look at the context. When Jesus says that he is the “light of the world” he is speaking during the Feast of Tabernacles, and what he means about “light” has a specific Jewish connotation. It means something very different from Horus. You can’t equate the two because they use “light” as a symbol (in fact, most teachers have used “light” to suggest enlightenment, wisdom, etc.).

As for Hades and Lucifer, well, firstly, Lucifer doesn’t “rule” Hell - he’s in it! God is the ultimate ruler of Heaven and Hell. Secondly, Hades wasn’t “cast out” from Heaven, but drew a bad draw in a game of chance! There is no moral quality to the incident, nor is it a question about authority and submission.

Lastly, read Cardinal Newman’s “Essay on the Development of Christian Doctrine”, where he explores how the Church sanctified pagan rituals and/or ideas, and also (C.S. Lewis points at this too) how you would expect to find small mutterings of the truth in different religions before Christianity (and since) because humans are naturally able to recognise some truth about God and because God inspires in non-Christian cultures “good dreams” (Lewis) so that it can help them to recognise the truth, which people then mythologise.

All the best with your friend.

Jonathan
 
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