Questions on Holy Orders

[ConstantineTG]

This is correct. We have a right to the sacraments. If we are living as Catholics, we cannot be denied. It is the will of God and of the Church that all who are able to, do receive the sacraments. For example: if someone will never reach an age of discernment due to lack of mental faculties, that person would no be denied confirmation.

This ties in with the old: “If I were the Pope, I would … fill in the blank ]”

Nobody ever fills in the blank with “love my neighbor more” or “bring people to God by my sanctity”. It almost always “I would act like a despot and MAKE PEOPLE LOVE GOD!!! OR ELSE!!! :bowdown:”

Actually we do not have a right to the Sacraments. The Sacraments are a privilege, not a right. We cannot demand for it and there must be strict adherence to the commandments of God and the Church for us to avail of them.

 

[TheMc]

Think of it this way: Parents serve their children, and give them everything they need. But the parents still have the authority. They don’t do it for power, they do it because they love their children. Sometimes they even punish the children, and the children hate the parent’s guts. But it’s in the child’s best interest.

The role of a bishop is quite similar. He have to “punish” people, or even his priests, but it is out of love. He isn’t in it for power. He is a servant, but he still has the authority.

 

[ConstantineTG]

Think of it this way: Parents serve their children, and give them everything they need. But the parents still have the authority. They don’t do it for power, they do it because they love their children. Sometimes they even punish the children, and the children hate the parent’s guts. But it’s in the child’s best interest.

The role of a bishop is quite similar. He have to “punish” people, or even his priests, but it is out of love.

Oh no, its not about power. They have authority over us because they, as successors to the Apostles, have been given this authority by Jesus. And they have been trained too through their education on how to lead and govern us.

The mitre of the Bishop is a symbol of their temporal authority.

 

[ajpirc]

Actually we do not have a right to the Sacraments. The Sacraments are a privilege, not a right. We cannot demand for it and there must be strict adherence to the commandments of God and the Church for us to avail of them.

Example: A priest can deny a man the Blessed Sacrament if he finds out that the man committed a mortal sin (murder, adultry, etc.).

Can Annointing of the Sick be denied if someone has been excommunicated?

 

[Evan]

Actually we do not have a right to the Sacraments. The Sacraments are a privilege, not a right. We cannot demand for it and there must be strict adherence to the commandments of God and the Church for us to avail of them.

You failed to quote my caviat:

Evan:

If we are living as Catholics, we cannot be denied.

**Canon 843 Right to Sacraments.
§1. Sacred ministers cannot deny the sacraments to those who seek them at appropriate times, are properly disposed, and are not prohibited by law from receiving them. **

 

[Spirithound]

Yet, at the institution of the priesthood, was it not Jesus Himself (one who is greater than Paul) who said “no servant is greater than his master” and showed them, in the washing of the feet, the role they were to play as bishops of His Church?

I believe it was Peter, not Paul in that scene

 

[ajpirc]

This is about the deacons:

In another thread someone told me that when a man (vir to make myself clear) is ordained to the diaconate, he receives the right to preach. They also said this distinguishes them from the lay because for them it is a privelege.

Would a lay person have to have permission from his priest or bishop to preach the Catholic Faith?

What about monks and nuns? Would they have the right or the privelege?

 

[Spirithound]

This is about the deacons:

In another thread someone told me that when a man (vir to make myself clear) is ordained to the diaconate, he receives the right to preach. They also said this distinguishes them from the lay because for them it is a privelege.

Would a lay person have to have permission from his priest or bishop to preach the Catholic Faith?

What about monks and nuns? Would they have the right or the privelege?

Only a bishop has the right to preach, by his office. The priest and the deacon preach with faculties given by the bishop.

Lay people can preach all they want outside the church, but inside the church (building), it is reserved to the ordained.