Questions on our beloved Pope

[PiusXIIRC]

Hello all,

I love our Holy Father Pope Francis with all my heart, but I do question as if he preaches on salvation. I was reading the bible and Jesus and the apostles talked about repenting for the salvation of the soul. I have also noticed this with lots of the previous Popes before Vatican 2. It just seems that Pope Francis is more about pleasing the people and making sure he doesn’t offend anybody. I know I might be wrong and I don’t doubt it, but can anybody give me links or quotes from Pope Francis on the salvation of souls and the reality of hell?

Pax Vobiscum

 

[Oren]

I’ve seen him talk about the devil a lot.

This from his apostolic exhortation, joy of the gospel:

“Non-Christians, by God’s gracious initiative, when they are faithful to their own consciences, can live justified by the grace of God, and thus be associated to the paschal mystery of Jesus Christ. But due to the sacramental dimension of sanctifying grace, God’s working in them tends to produce signs and rites, sacred expressions which in turn bring others to a communitarian experience of journeying towards God. While these lack the meaning and efficacy of the sacraments instituted by Christ, they can be channels which the Holy Spirit raises up in order to liberate non-Christians from atheistic immanentism or from purely individual religious experiences.”

Pope Francis homily: “Do not be afraid of the final judgment of God, when the good will be separated from the bad, because Jesus will always be at our side, because we can rely on the intercession and the benevolence of the saints and because God ” did not send his Son to condemn , but to save ” and “”he who believes in Him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is already condemned,” and in this sense “the judgment has already begun”.

Couple quotes from him on salvation for ya.

 

[Cartesian]

On April 11, 2013, **L’Osservatore Romano ** presented excerpts of the Pope’s homily at the morning mass in Santa Marta.

http://www.osservatoreromano.va/en/news/salvation-according-to-francis#.UsAMG9IW3To:

It happens, however, that at times “we want to save ourselves and we believe we can do it. ‘I save myself!’. We don’t say it, but we live it, just so”. For example when we think: “I save myself with money. I am secure, I have some money, there is no problem… I have dignity: the dignity of the rich”. But, Pope Francis interjected, all that “is not enough. Think of the Gospel parable, of that man who had the full granary and said: 'I will make another, to have more and more, and then I will sleep peacefully”. And the Lord responds: ‘You fool! You will die tonight’.

On June 19, 2013, he warns about trying to follow Jesus with: “human freedom” or the: “liberty of the Pharisees or Sadducees”

The gates open to consolation (10 June 2013) | Francis

The gates open to consolation: Morning Mass celebrated by Pope Francis in the Chapel of the Domus Sanctae Marthae, by L'Osservatore Romano, 10 June 2013

www.vatican.va

In the day’s Liturgy the Gospel passage (Mt 5:1-12) on the Beatitudes gave the Pope an occasion to reflect on the relationship between salvation and freedom. Furthermore, the Beatitudes are “the law of those who have been saved” and have opened their heart to salvation.
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Thus the Bishop of Rome bid those present ask the Lord for “the grace to follow him”, but not with the liberty of the Pharisees and Sadducees who became hypocrites because they wanted “to follow him only with human freedom”.

26 June, 2013, Pope Francis presents the pillars of salvation, however he warns that even if we think we have the pillars built, some obstacles may threaten our salvation.

The pillars of Christian salvation (22 June 2013) | Francis

The pillars of Christian salvation: Morning Meditation by Pope Francis in the Chapel of the Domus Sanctae Marthae, 22 June 2013

www.vatican.va

Choice, promise. covenant; these are therefore the three pillars of the entire history of salvation. However it can sometimes happen that “when our heart enters this, which Jesus explains to us, it cuts out time. It cuts out the past, it cuts out the future and is confused in the present”.

This happens because those who cling to riches are not concerned with either the past or the future. they have everything. Wealth is an idol. It has no need of a past, a promise, an election or a future, it needs nothing. What we worry about is what can happen”.

On **August 25, 213 **the Angelus was entirely dedicated to the theme of salvation. Holy Father presents Jesus as the door. A door that leads to the Father and is never closed. However, the door is narrow, not because of the door itself but we need to open our hearts.

Angelus, 25 August 2013 | Francis

Pope Francis recites the Angelus - Sunday 25 August 2013

www.vatican.va

Of course Jesus’ door is a narrow one but not because it is a torture chamber. No, not for that reason! Rather, because he asks us to open our hearts to him, to recognize that we are sinners in need of his salvation, his forgiveness and his love in order to have the humility to accept his mercy and to let ourselves be renewed by him. Jesus tells us in the Gospel that being Christians does not mean having a “label”! I ask you: are you Christians by label or by the truth? And let each one answer within him- or herself! Not Christians, never Christians by label! Christians in truth, Christians in the heart. Being Christian is living and witnessing to faith in prayer, in works of charity, in promoting justice, in doing good. The whole of our life must pass through the narrow door which is Christ.

Finally, the encyclical letter** Luminen Fidei **covers **extensively **salvation.

Lumen fidei (29 June 2013) | Francis

Encyclical Letter Lumen fidei of the Supreme Pontiff Francis

www.vatican.va

Salvation by faith
19. On the basis of this sharing in Jesus’ way of seeing things, Saint Paul has left us a description of the life of faith. In accepting the gift of faith, believers become a new creation; they receive a new being; as God’s children, they are now “sons in the Son”. The phrase “Abba, Father”, so characteristic of Jesus’ own experience, now becomes the core of the Christian experience (cf. Rom 8:15). The life of faith, as a filial existence, is the acknowledgment of a primordial and radical gift which upholds our lives. We see this clearly in Saint Paul’s question to the Corinthians: “What have you that you did not receive?” (1 Cor 4:7). This was at the very heart of Paul’s debate with the Pharisees: the issue of whether salvation is attained by faith or by the works of the law. Paul rejects the attitude of those who would consider themselves justified before God on the basis of their own works.
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And much much more which would upset the mods if I posted everything in one post…

P.S.: Like the Bible, not everything the Pope said or taught you can find written, the least in secular media, but the already existing homilies, encyclicals, messages, even interviews, mainly when you dive in Vatican website, they are impressive and terrific material to potential evangelists, catechists, missionaries and so on.

 

[RocketRM]

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nice job Cartesian!

 

[agnes_therese]

It just seems that Pope Francis is more about pleasing the people and making sure he doesn’t offend anybody. I

It sounds like you’re not reading what Pope Francis actually says, you’re just reading what the mainstream media reports on.

 

[JReducation]

Hello all,

I love our Holy Father Pope Francis with all my heart, but I do question as if he preaches on salvation. I was reading the bible and Jesus and the apostles talked about repenting for the salvation of the soul. I have also noticed this with lots of the previous Popes before Vatican 2. It just seems that Pope Francis is more about pleasing the people and making sure he doesn’t offend anybody. I know I might be wrong and I don’t doubt it, but can anybody give me links or quotes from Pope Francis on the salvation of souls and the reality of hell?

Pax Vobiscum

Everything that he preaches about charity, compassion, mercy, honesty, peace, love for the Church, confession, priesthood, ministry, prayer, conversion of manners, and detachment is about salvation of the soul.

Even the devil believes that Jesus is the Redeemer, the Second Person of the Trinity and that he wishes to save all men. That belief alone is not going to save anyone’s soul. Otherwise, Satan would be in heaven. Belief has to translate into spirituality. Spirituality translates into action. This is what Peter, Paul and James remind us of. This is why John’s parting words to St. Polycarp were, “Remain in His love.”

Observe the great spiritual masters and what do they write about? The same things.

What are you looking for? Maybe, you may find it by going to the Vatican site and reading his daily homilies.

 

[severus68]

Hello all,

I love our Holy Father Pope Francis with all my heart, but I do question as if he preaches on salvation. I was reading the bible and Jesus and the apostles talked about repenting for the salvation of the soul. I have also noticed this with lots of the previous Popes before Vatican 2. It just seems that Pope Francis is more about pleasing the people and making sure he doesn’t offend anybody. I know I might be wrong and I don’t doubt it, but can anybody give me links or quotes from Pope Francis on the salvation of souls and the reality of hell?

Pax Vobiscum

You say you love him but you obviously do not trust him and are disrespectful and insulting to say he is more about pleasing people. It is really not for you to question if he is a worthy successor to Peter.

 

[robert_chacon]

You say you love him but you obviously do not trust him and are disrespectful and insulting to say he is more about pleasing people. It is really not for you to question if he is a worthy successor to Peter.

Your question does seem to suggest you dont trust the Pope. However, I can understand why you would ask this. If you read only the mainstream media, you would hear virtually nothing of the Popes messages on salvation of anything other than that which supports the liberal agenda! You dont hear the reports on the Popes support for the Catholic physicians group in their opposition to abortion, to the Popes strong opposition to Argentine legislation for gay “marriage” as Cardinal or his discipline of the Australian priest who insists on supporting gay marriage and womens ordination, or his acceptance of the guidelines for the LCWR. NONE of this gets reported because it doesnt fit the slant the press wants to run with for this Pope.

News Flash!!: THE POPE IS CATHOLIC! He has stated the same teaching on abortion, gay “marriage”, womens ordination as Popes John Paul and Benedict, but he also said “Who am I to judge” . This is the very motto of the left! And the liberal press has built an entire papacy and its meaning on this one phrase! But of course, to the left , its inappropriate to judge anything they believe in, but entirely their DUTY to judge and condemn any belief they disagree with! Their hypocrisy is so thick its laughable that they cant even see it. So as soon as the mainstream media’s spin becomes obviously false, you can expect their adulation of our Pope to quickly turn ugly. And you can soon expect them to be seeking every opportunity to attack every word from the Pope that is in the least bit in opposition to homosexuality, women priests, abortion, or that even attempts to suggest that the child sexual abuse crisis in not the result of Catholic theology, but rather the direct result of acting contrary to the very dogma, canon and discipline of the Catholic Church.

Dont worry, when that happens you will soon enough be hearing all the truth of the Catholic faith run in the media as an attack, as if shining the light on truth were harmful! In the meantime, yes, go to the Vatican website, watch Catholic TV and REAL Catholic news sources (NOT the National Catholic Reporter or other scandal rags of that ilk) and you will see how truly Catholic our Pope is.

 

[PiusXIIRC]

Thank you all so much for your replies, it really helped!

 

[johnthebaptist2]

I beleive that that our new pope is saying,is he trying to tell us the way Jesus wants us to live,a life devoted to severing God with our Hearts,to help others ,to love one another,and to understand others,to open our hearts to others that need our comfort,ect.

 

[HelenRose]

You say you love him but you obviously do not trust him and are disrespectful and insulting to say he is more about pleasing people. It is really not for you to question if he is a worthy successor to Peter.

Before I even read the OP’s post I knew that it was going to be anything but lovable.

 

[Abu]

Speculation and supposition have been the flavour, but the reality is that Pope Francis has also apologised for his mistakes, apart from the confusion identified in the six categories examined from Evangelii Gaudium by .Samuel Gregg November 26, 2013 8:08 PM, at
m.nationalreview.com/corner/365004/pope-francis-and-poverty-samuel-gregg

**Even the Pope Critiques Himself. And Corrects Three Errors
by Sandro Magister ROME, November 22, 2013 **
‘He is lowering the “rating” of his interview with Scalfari. Rectifying his judgments on Vatican Council II. Distancing himself from the progressive currents that have applauded him until now. But the media are silent on this change of pace.

1. ‘The first concerns the conversation that he had with Eugenio Scalfari, set down in writing by this champion of atheistic thought in “la Repubblica" of October 1.

‘….the interview was reproduced in its entirety both in “L’Osservatore Romano" and on the official website of the Holy See, on a par with the other discourses and documents of the Pope.

‘This gave birth to the idea that Jorge Mario Bergoglio had intentionally chosen the conversational form of expression, on this as on other occasions, as a new form of his Magisterium, capable of reaching the general public more effectively.

‘But in the following weeks the pope must also have become aware of the risk that this form entails. The risk that the Magisterium of the Church might fall to the level of a mere opinion contributed to the free exchange of ideas.

‘This in fact led to the decision, on November 15, to remove from the website of the Holy See the text of the conversation with Scalfari.

‘ “It was removed,” Fr. Lombardi explained, “to clarify the nature of that text. There were some misunderstandings and disagreements about its value.”

‘But even the calibrated and thoroughly studied interview with Pope Francis in “La Civiltà Cattolica” - published on September 19 by sixteen magazines of the Society of Jesus in eleven languages - has in recent days been taken into the shop of things to be corrected.’
chiesa.espresso.repubblica.it/articolo/1350668?eng=y

 

[johnthebaptist2]

I love when our New Pope Francis talks about salavation of oue souls,because we should alwaya be concern about that, thats if if wish to have happen in Heaven,all he trying to tell us ,is to lead a better ilfe,and to please God by,listing to what he saids about Jesus wordsthat he peach about when Jesus was down among us.He wants us to show more LOVE to one another,he wants us to help others, ect.and to avod doinging evil things,to avoid sin. I love reading things he saids,because he trying to bring us back to GOD.

 

[Cartesian]

I love when our New Pope Francis talks about salavation of oue souls,because we should alwaya be concern about that, thats if if wish to have happen in Heaven,all he trying to tell us ,is to lead a better ilfe,and to please God by,listing to what he saids about Jesus wordsthat he peach about when Jesus was down among us.He wants us to show more LOVE to one another,he wants us to help others, ect.and to avod doinging evil things,to avoid sin. I love reading things he saids,because he trying to bring us back to GOD.

 

[newsmike]

It sounds like you’re not reading what Pope Francis actually says, you’re just reading what the mainstream media reports on.

With all due respect, that argument is weak. Every time the Pope tips his hat to modernity and moral relativism, you throw up the same knee jerk response. How many times can you argue that the Pope is not making these comments but instead the liberal media is making them up? He hid it again, on the topic of children of gay parents. If you open your eyes and truly see what is in front of you, actually read what he has said you will see that this is the perfect Pope for the Obama age.

The Pope’s desire to be cool and liked by the media at the cost of doctrine just may cost this church her soul.

news.yahoo.com/pope-calls-fresh-church-approach-children-gay-parents-192102096.html

 

[Church_Militant]

With all due respect, that argument is weak. Every time the Pope tips his hat to modernity and moral relativism, you throw up the same knee jerk response. How many times can you argue that the Pope is not making these comments but instead the liberal media is making them up? He hid it again, on the topic of children of gay parents. If you open your eyes and truly see what is in front of you, actually read what he has said you will see that this is the perfect Pope for the Obama age.

The Pope’s desire to be cool and liked by the media at the cost of doctrine just may cost this church her soul.

news.yahoo.com/pope-calls-fresh-church-approach-children-gay-parents-192102096.html

And again you base your argument on Yahoo’s reportage vs a link to His Holiness actual remarks. Yahoo…which commonly hosts some of the most anti-Catholic propaganda on the internet. Maybe you should listen to someone who actually is Catholic and knows what is going on. Check out [Akin]

And if you want to know what exactly Pope Francis said. You can read it online in English here (pdf).

Pope Francis is a very long way from wanting to “be cool and liked by the media” and they routinely spin his words in their reporting. I always go back and read what he actually says rather than what they report.

He has in no way, shape, or form “tipped his hat to modernity and moral relativism” which just modern radical traditionalist ad hominem and frankly pretty offensive in much the same way as so much of the anti-Catholic rhetoric and polemics is.

This pontiff, like his predecessors, not only challenges us to live a more Christ-like life in his words, but in his day to day life, which I find very inspirational. Traditional Catholics understand obedience and humility and I think it’s shameful for anyone who calls themselves Catholic to even remotely infer an allegation of “modernity and moral relativism” against His Holiness.

 

[clem456]

With all due respect, that argument is weak. Every time the Pope tips his hat to modernity and moral relativism, you throw up the same knee jerk response. How many times can you argue that the Pope is not making these comments but instead the liberal media is making them up? He hid it again, on the topic of children of gay parents. If you open your eyes and truly see what is in front of you, actually read what he has said you will see that this is the perfect Pope for the Obama age.

The Pope’s desire to be cool and liked by the media at the cost of doctrine just may cost this church her soul.

news.yahoo.com/pope-calls-fresh-church-approach-children-gay-parents-192102096.html

So you believe that a man’s actions are more powerful than the Holy Spirit?