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Some of you may know me, I ask a lot of questions, and question, just about everything you can type, I hope this doesn’t anger you.

Clarify:

I am not Anti-Catholic, I am Anti-DisRespect. I do not hate Catholics, I consider yall brothers in christ, even if yall do not consider me the same, I love you, even if you hate me.

Questions:
  1. Mary and Saints, do you pray for them to pray with you or for you? Scripture please
  2. Purgatory, I know what it is, after reading about 2 dozen answers of it, but scripture?
  3. Apostles, I talked to a Catholic friend frm here about it, but would like more detail if possible: Why doesn’t it say they handed their ability to forgive sins throug Jesus down to their successors, and where are their successors? I do not hear of apostles now, in the current date.
I will have more questions, but that is all…for now muhaha.

Read please: Thank you guys, and ladies, for being very nice, some have been rude, but less than expected. I thank you, and apologize for any rudeness I have committed against you, or in the future. If I am rude to you, I beg you to pm me telling me what I said, and I will apologize through pm, or here if you like. Thank you for answers, god bless.
 
Hi, ChristianKnight

Thank you for your gentle and courteous comments! 🙂

I think the most charming and telling answer to your first question is, for me, John chapter 2 verses 1-12. Note Jesus’ words to His mother. She is interceding, Jesus is protesting, Jesus grants her request.

Okay so she seems to be able to intercede for the needs of others, so this is one scripture that supports our turing to her never, never, to grant prayer herself, but to ask God on our behalf. Didn’t you ever say, while knowing both your Mum and you dad loves you, “Mum, could you please ask Dad…”

There’s more but that will do on question one for a start. Dear brother in Christ, when I returned to the Church after ten yeas away, I didn’t know how to approach her at all…until I wrote the following after begging Jesus to help me value His Mum.

Woman of faith, pray for us
Dear Mother Mary, you have been honoured, blessed, and gifted by God. You are our mother because in figure of John, Jesus gave us to you as your children as He hung dying on the cross. We ask you to speak to God on our behalf.

It was through your faith that Jesus first manifested His power at Cana, thus beginning His work before the appointed time. Although it concerned neither life nor death, nor eternal salvation but the human feelings of others, He granted your trusting prayer. Such was your faith, and God’s love for you, Saint of all saints!
Therefore, we trust our prayer to Your faith in God!
…
Stand not silently by, Mother! Our Father, your Son, and the Holy Spirit who overshadowed you and blessed you with our Saviour—They cannot refuse you!

Please give us your unfailing protection, love and representation before God so that the fullest gifts and blessings are granted to each of us. We stand humbly before you, Mother, and entreat you with our hearts, minds, and spirits…Mother!

Every time I said that prayer for a while I’d cry…but don’t doubt that most of the time, as most of us, I directly speak to the Father, to Jesus, to the Holy Spirit, who alone are source of grace and the granting of prayer. Bless you, Trishie
 
Trishie said:
Hi, ChristianKnight

Thank you for your gentle and courteous comments! 🙂

I think the most charming and telling answer to your first question is, for me, John chapter 2 verses 1-12. Note Jesus’ words to His mother. She is interceding, Jesus is protesting, Jesus grants her request.

Okay so she seems to be able to intercede for the needs of others, so this is one scripture that supports our turing to her never, never, to grant prayer herself, but to ask God on our behalf.

There’s more but that will do on question one for a start. Dear brother in Christ, when I returned to the Church after ten yeas away, I didn’t know how to approach her at all…until I wrote the following after begging Jesus to help me value His Mum.

Woman of faith, pray for us
Dear Mother Mary, you have been honoured, blessed, and gifted by God. You are our mother because in figure of John, Jesus gave us to you as your children as He hung dying on the cross. We ask you to speak to God on our behalf.

It was through your faith that Jesus first manifested His power at Cana, thus beginning His work before the appointed time. Although it concerned neither life nor death, nor eternal salvation but the human feelings of others, He granted your trusting prayer. Such was your faith, and God’s love for you, Saint of all saints!

Therefore, we trust our prayer to Your faith in God! You see everything that we need in service of God, and all that we desire for each other. You feel the aching of our hearts and hear our longing prayers. You behold our faith, our repentance, and our love.

Stand not silently by, Mother! Our Father, your Son, and the Holy Spirit who overshadowed you and blessed you with our Saviour—They cannot refuse you!

Please give us your unfailing protection, love and representation before God so that the fullest gifts and blessings are granted to each of us. We stand humbly before you, Mother, and entreat you with our hearts, minds, and spirits…Mother!

Every time I said that prayer for a while I’d cry…but don’t doubt that most of the time, as most of us, I directly speak to the Father, to Jesus, to the Holy Spirit, who alone are source of grace and the granting of prayer. Bless you, Trishie
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So, why ask Mary to ask Jesus to listen to our prayer if we just pray to him?
 
ChristianKnight said:
So, why ask Mary to ask Jesus to listen to our prayer if we just pray to him?
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Because Jesus Himself allowed this to be part of His example and teaching, part of His gospel…His word, the Word of God. Why did He? But He did…Trishie
 
The apostles, the first priests. The laying of hands in ordination has always passed this gift from priest to priest throughout the centuries. Christians weren’t called Christians at first either. They were first called Christians at Antioch, not while Jesus lived.
 
Dear Knight for Christ,
Some references which the Church finds basis for the purification some of us may need in “Purgatory”, include Matthew 12, verse 31-32, including, " And anyone who says a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven; but let anyone speak against the Holy Spirit and he will not be forgiven either in this world and the next." This shows that the forgiveness can occur after death.

Another source is more difficult for you as I understand the book of Maccabeus may not be included in a Protestant Bible, anyway, 2 Maccabeus, chapter 12:46, atonement for the sins of the dead.

Brother in Christ, I ask the Holy Spirit to guide you and bless you greatly in your sincere search for answers and for the truth.

Warm regards, Trishie
 
ChristianKnight said:
Questions:
  1. Mary and Saints, do you pray for them to pray with you or for you? Scripture please
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Here’s a good way to think about it:
  1. As a Christian, I assume you go to church. As part of the service, people often ask the congregation to pray for our intentions. Have you ever had the members of your church pray for a sick relative before? If so, why? Shouldn’t I just pray directly to God instead? Why should I even bother asking other people to pray for her? (And yet, we know that there is clearly benefit.)
  2. Christians believe that we do not cease to exist when we die, but that many of us will enjoy eternal life in heaven.
  3. So… if these people do, in fact, continue to exist, why is it any different asking the deceased to pray for my intention than asking the living in my congregation to pray for my intention? It is the same thing.
  4. Catholics are not required to ask for the intercession of the angels, saints, or Mary outside of the Mass. That said, examine the following common prayer from Mass:
“And I ask blessed Mary, ever Virgin,
all the angels and saints,
and you, my brothers and sisters,
to pray for me to the Lord our God.”

Catholics regard prayer as SO important, that we are literally asking EVERYONE in the heavens and on earth to pray along with us!

And finally, you might ask “How do I know if Saint so-and-so can hear me”? Well, nothing is impossible with God. He can allow them to be privy to any information that he deems necessary, regardless of their state of existence. For example, Moses and Elijah appeared during the Transfiguration and were certainly aware of that event.

Here are a couple of links that talk about the scriptural references:

Why do Catholics pray to saints?
davidmacd.com/catholic/saints.htm#I%20dont%20pray%20to%20dead%20people

Praying to the Saints
catholic.com/library/Praying_to_the_Saints.asp

The Intercession of the Saints (Quotes from the Early Church Fathers)
catholic.com/library/Intercession_of_the_Saints.asp
 
ChristianKnight said:
Some of you may know me, I ask a lot of questions, and question, just about everything you can type, I hope this doesn’t anger you.

Clarify:

I am not Anti-Catholic, I am Anti-DisRespect. I do not hate Catholics, I consider yall brothers in christ, even if yall do not consider me the same, I love you, even if you hate me.

Questions:
  1. Mary and Saints, do you pray for them to pray with you or for you? Scripture please
  2. Purgatory, I know what it is, after reading about 2 dozen answers of it, but scripture?
  3. Apostles, I talked to a Catholic friend frm here about it, but would like more detail if possible: Why doesn’t it say they handed their ability to forgive sins throug Jesus down to their successors, and where are their successors? I do not hear of apostles now, in the current date.
I will have more questions, but that is all…for now muhaha.

Read please: Thank you guys, and ladies, for being very nice, some have been rude, but less than expected. I thank you, and apologize for any rudeness I have committed against you, or in the future. If I am rude to you, I beg you to pm me telling me what I said, and I will apologize through pm, or here if you like. Thank you for answers, god bless.
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angelfire.com/ca3/rafaelmarie/ThePieta/athepieta.html
catholicforum.com/churches/cathteach/divinemercy1.htm
our.homewithgod.com/divinemercy/
 
Rolltide said:
Here’s a good way to think about it:
  1. As a Christian, I assume you go to church. As part of the service, people often ask the congregation to pray for our intentions. Have you ever had the members of your church pray for a sick relative before? If so, why? Shouldn’t I just pray directly to God instead? Why should I even bother asking other people to pray for her? (And yet, we know that there is clearly benefit.)
  2. Christians believe that we do not cease to exist when we die, but that many of us will enjoy eternal life in heaven.
  3. So… if these people do, in fact, continue to exist, why is it any different asking the deceased to pray for my intention than asking the living in my congregation to pray for my intention? It is the same thing.
  4. Catholics are not required to ask for the intercession of the angels, saints, or Mary outside of the Mass. That said, examine the following common prayer from Mass:
“And I ask blessed Mary, ever Virgin,
all the angels and saints,
and you, my brothers and sisters,
to pray for me to the Lord our God.”

Catholics regard prayer as SO important, that we are literally asking EVERYONE in the heavens and on earth to pray along with us!

And finally, you might ask “How do I know if Saint so-and-so can hear me”? Well, nothing is impossible with God. He can allow them to be privy to any information that he deems necessary, regardless of their state of existence. For example, Moses and Elijah appeared during the Transfiguration and were certainly aware of that event.

Here are a couple of links that talk about the scriptural references:

Why do Catholics pray to saints?
davidmacd.com/catholic/saints.htm#I%20dont%20pray%20to%20dead%20people

Praying to the Saints
catholic.com/library/Praying_to_the_Saints.asp

The Intercession of the Saints (Quotes from the Early Church Fathers)
catholic.com/library/Intercession_of_the_Saints.asp
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No, I do not go to church anymore, I study at home, until I figure out my choice.

Where do they exist? I thought apostles died and went to heaven?

So, you pray to Mary and the Saints to pray with you?
 
Trishie said:
Dear Knight for Christ,
Some references which the Church finds basis for the purification some of us may need in “Purgatory”, include Matthew 12, verse 31-32, including, " And anyone who says a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven; but let anyone speak against the Holy Spirit and he will not be forgiven either in this world and the next." This shows that the forgiveness can occur after death.

Another source is more difficult for you as I understand the book the dead.
of Maccabeus may not be included in a Protestant Bible, anyway, 2 Maccabeus, chapter 12:46, atonement for the sins of
Brother in Christ, I ask the Holy Spirit to guide you and bless you greatly in your sincere search for answers and for the truth.

Warm regards, Trishie
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Well, no offense to Catholics, but if its not in the bible I have been taught out of, I do not see why I should trust it, it might very well be the actual stuff that is supposed to be in the bible, but I’d like to know:

Was it added to the bible, after the bible was made, or taken out of it after it was made?

And another question:

What are the Cross chain things you pray with? Personally, I like the idea of praying with something in my hand, isn’t it for doing a certain prayer? Where would I get one?
 
ChristianKnight said:
No, I do not go to church anymore, I study at home, until I figure out my choice.
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Well, yes, but you would agree that most congregations do pray together for the intentions of the people who go there.
Where do they exist? I thought apostles died and went to heaven?
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Yes, the Apostles died and went to heaven. I’m not sure what you’re asking here…
So, you pray to Mary and the Saints to pray with you?
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Yes. This is called “intercessionary” prayer, when you are praying for a saint to pray with you to God. (By the way, the word “pray” simply means “to ask”. Protestants nowadays take it to mean something that is ONLY reserved for God, but 500 years ago, it was simply just another word that could apply to anyone. Ever hear Shakespeare use the expression “pray tell”? I could say to my friend, “What are we going to do today, pray tell”, for example. Catholics use the word in the more general sense of “asking”.)
 
Rolltide said:
Well, yes, but you would agree that most congregations do pray together for the intentions of the people who go there.

Yes, the Apostles died and went to heaven. I’m not sure what you’re asking here…

3) So… if these people do, in fact, continue to exist, why is it any different asking the deceased to pray for my intention than asking the living in my congregation to pray for my intention? It is the same thing.

Yes. This is called “intercessionary” prayer, when you are praying for a saint to pray with you to God. (By the way, the word “pray” simply means “to ask”. Protestants nowadays take it to mean something that is ONLY reserved for God, but 500 years ago, it was simply just another word that could apply to anyone. Ever hear Shakespeare use the expression “pray tell”? I could say to my friend, “What are we going to do today, pray tell”, for example. Catholics use the word in the more general sense of “asking”.)
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So, it helps to ask a saint to pray with you?
 
ChristianKnight said:
What are the Cross chain things you pray with? Personally, I like the idea of praying with something in my hand, isn’t it for doing a certain prayer? Where would I get one?
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It is called a Rosary. The beads represent specific prayers, and you hold the beads as a way of counting so you don’t lose track of where you are.

Here’s a site that demonstrates how to pray the Rosary.
rosary-center.org/howto.htm

They are available at Catholic stores, or widely available online.
 
Rolltide said:
It is called a Rosary. The beads represent specific prayers, and you hold the beads as a way of counting so you don’t lose track of where you are.

Here’s a site that demonstrates how to pray the Rosary.
rosary-center.org/howto.htm

They are available at Catholic stores, or widely available online.
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I like the ideal of it, but you have to be able to remember well lol.
 
Rolltide said:
It is always good for people to pray in groups. It is not, however, required of any Catholic, outside of a few prayers that might occur during the Mass.
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Well, we pray about 3-4 times in our church, on sunday, once on wednesday, sunday night, idk I aint been on sunday night in a long time.

We pray after every song (usually 3-4, never less then 3, or usually never less than 3 lol)

I like to pray alone, or physically alone, that would be cool, I could pray with others, and not have to be physically beside people!
 
ChristianKnight said:
I like the ideal of it, but you have to be able to remember well lol.
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It’s not actually that hard to remember after you do it a few times. It’s certainly possible to have a list of the prayers in front of you when you start, although the Rosary consists mostly of the Our Father (The Lord’s Prayer) and Hail Mary, which can be memorized in a few minutes.

The Rosary is a powerful and beautiful form of prayer that centers on meditating about the great mysteries of Jesus and Christianity. The repetition of the Hail Mary’s can also help one meditate and clear one’s mind so that they can focus on God.
 
Rolltide said:
It’s not actually that hard to remember after you do it a few times. It’s certainly possible to have a list of the prayers in front of you when you start, although the Rosary consists mostly of the Our Father (The Lord’s Prayer) and Hail Mary, which can be memorized in a few minutes.

The Rosary is a powerful and beautiful form of prayer that centers on meditating about the great mysteries of Jesus and Christianity. The repetition of the Hail Mary’s can also help one meditate and clear one’s mind so that they can focus on God.
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Hey, about the apostles, where are hte ones you said are alive?
  1. So… if these people do, in fact, continue to exist, why is it any different asking the deceased to pray for my intention than asking the living in my congregation to pray for my intention? It is the same thing.
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ChristianKnight said:
Hey, about the apostles, where are hte ones you said are alive?
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While the twelve Apostles are not alive with us on earth, they most certainly continue to exist in heaven. Christians do NOT believe that people just die and cease to exist.
 
Rolltide said:
While the twelve Apostles are not alive with us on earth, they most certainly continue to exist in heaven. Christians do NOT believe that people just die and cease to exist.
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lol I know.

You said in that one post though:

3) So… if these people do, in fact, continue to exist, why is it any different asking the deceased to pray for my intention than asking the living in my congregation to pray for my intention? It is the same thing.
 
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