Questions, part 2

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ChristianKnight said:
lol I know.

You said in that one post though:

3) So… if these people do, in fact, continue to exist, why is it any different asking the deceased to pray for my intention than asking the living in my congregation to pray for my intention? It is the same thing.
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I just mean that anyone that makes it to heaven, even if they die tomorrow, is considered a saint. I could pray not just to Mary and the Apostles, but other heroic Christian figures, like the martyrs, St. Nicholas, St. Francis of Assisi, Mother Teresa, and so on…
 
Rolltide said:
I just mean that anyone that makes it to heaven, even if they die tomorrow, is considered a saint. I could pray not just to Mary and the Apostles, but other heroic Christian figures, like the martyrs, St. Nicholas, St. Francis of Assisi, Mother Teresa, and so on…
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Ah, so if you had a family member who was a devout christian, he would be a saint?
 
ChristianKnight said:
Ah, so if you had a family member who was a devout christian, he would be a saint?
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If any member of your family made it to heaven, they would indeed be a saint (although we might not know that fact for sure until we actually get to heaven ourselves)!
 
Rolltide said:
If any member of your family made it to heaven, they would indeed be a saint (although we might not know that fact for sure until we actually get to heaven ourselves)!
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Very true. kinda glad we know Jesus is up their, that way we have at least one to pray to ;).

Of course I am pretty sure that Mary, the disciples, except Judas, got up there.
 
Rolltide said:
ChristianKnight,
Your private mailbox is full.
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Yea, both our computers lagged, mine just wouldn’t stop had to restart and stuff. I love the blue & silver rosary, I am gonna get it if allowed to.
 
ChristianKnight said:
Is it possible to make one?
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Once you know the patterned-progression of the Rosary you can say it on your fingers–but the physical aid of an actual Rosary helps in concentration, IMO.

Any Catholic bookstore can sell you a one-sheet pamphlet describing the Rosary, its prayers, and the Scriptural mysteries one contemplates while saying the prayers. These pamphlets are usually less than $1, and are usually avaible by the cashier’s station. They are very handy for when you are first learning to say it, especially if you are from a non-catholic background.

My favorite Rosary is a plain blue-plastic one sent to me by a friend who had converted to the Church–and the gift of that Rosary and my saying it helped me reconcile back to the Church (“revert”) in February 2002.
 
ChristianKnight said:
Well, no offense to Catholics, but if its not in the bible I have been taught out of, I do not see why I should trust it, it might very well be the actual stuff that is supposed to be in the bible, but I’d like to know:

Was it added to the bible, after the bible was made, or taken out of it after it was made?
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CK, great questions, and asked in the right spirit!
I’d like you to take a look at your statement I highlighted above, and ask yourself, “Does the Bible tell me what books are supposed to be in the Bible?”
 
ChristianKnight said:
Some of you may know me, I ask a lot of questions, and question, just about everything you can type, I hope this doesn’t anger you.

Clarify:

I am not Anti-Catholic, I am Anti-DisRespect. I do not hate Catholics, I consider yall brothers in christ, even if yall do not consider me the same, I love you, even if you hate me.

Questions:
  1. Mary and Saints, do you pray for them to pray with you or for you? Scripture please
  2. Purgatory, I know what it is, after reading about 2 dozen answers of it, but scripture?
  3. Apostles, I talked to a Catholic friend frm here about it, but would like more detail if possible: Why doesn’t it say they handed their ability to forgive sins throug Jesus down to their successors, and where are their successors? I do not hear of apostles now, in the current date.
I will have more questions, but that is all…for now muhaha.

Read please: Thank you guys, and ladies, for being very nice, some have been rude, but less than expected. I thank you, and apologize for any rudeness I have committed against you, or in the future. If I am rude to you, I beg you to pm me telling me what I said, and I will apologize through pm, or here if you like. Thank you for answers, god bless.
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1-Saint Paul asked the Christians to pray for one another.(Idon’t remember the passage, but you’ll easily find it, I’m sure.
Also, when Jesus refuted the Sadducees who didn’t believe in a resurrection, He commented the passage of the Burning Bush where God calls Himself the God of Abraham, the God of Issac and the God of Jacob by saying: “God is not the God of the dead, but of the living! For all are alive before Him (or: in His eyes)!”(In Matthew or Luke)
We are not turning to the saints for divination (invoking the spirits, turning the tables), which was what Moses meant by the interdiction of speaking to the dead: he meant that any practice pertaining to divination, sorcery, witchcraft, is away from the ways of the Lord and therefore we should avoid these practices by any means…
Also, have you never read how when Elisha was dead, somebody was fleeing away from desert bandits, and he was carrying a dead body.As he saw the bandits approaching he saw Elisha’s tomb, threw the body into the tomb and went away. And then, as the dead body of the man touched that of the prophet Elisha…the man came back to life! (2nd Book of the Kings, I don’t remember which chapter) And that’s in the Old Testament!!
Amazing, isn’t it!
 
ChristianKnight said:
  1. Purgatory, I know what it is, after reading about 2 dozen answers of it, but scripture?
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For this one question, there are two books among the Deuterocanonical Books which don’t appear in the Hebrew Bible but do in the Septuagint Bible (the Jewish-Greek Old Testament). Since the Jews in the diasporah (outside of the Land of Israel or Palestine) were regularly using Greek and didn’t use as much Hebrew as in previous times, they felt the need to have the Scriptures in that language (Greek) for a better understanding. The Scriptures were collected together into the Septuagint Bible EVEN BEFORE the Hebrew Bible was put together in Jerusalem!!! Some Hebrew texts were lost, and the Deuterocanonical Books were not written in Hebrew, they were now only found in Greek, hence the Jerusalem religious authorities did not keep them in their Bible in Hebrew… (although in the Book of Daniel, strangely enough, they apparently kept the few verses which were in Aramaic!!!)
Now, one of the Book of the Macchabees tells us at one point that Judas and his companions prayed for the dead, and the author called it a worthwhile custom. And it’s one passage supporting the doctrine of the purgatory. For if the souls of the dead were only in heaven or in hell, there would be no need to pray for the dead at all!
 
ChristianKnight said:
  1. Apostles, I talked to a Catholic friend frm here about it, but would like more detail if possible: Why doesn’t it say they handed their ability to forgive sins throug Jesus down to their successors, and where are their successors? I do not hear of apostles now, in the current date.
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Haven’t you ever read how the Apostles chose Matthias to replace Judas.(Acts of the Apostles, chapter one)?
Also, the Apostles were not dead at the time, except James brother of John. I don’t know why they didn’t mention his successor, maybe it was not seen as so important then? And maybe it wasn’t seen as important to repeat how this one would have been chosen. The message of the Gospel was even more important, I suppose…
However, after saint John, the last of the original Apostles, died, were there anybody called an Apostle? I don’t know.
You probably (and so would I soon) read the seven letters of Ignatius, bishop of Antioch, who died a martyr just in 107 A.D.! He followed saint Polycarp who had followed saint John the Apostle. I do have them at home, not here with me.
 
Lapell said:
For this one question, there are two books among the Deuterocanonical Books which don’t appear in the Hebrew Bible but do in the Septuagint Bible (the Jewish-Greek Old Testament). Since the Jews in the diasporah (outside of the Land of Israel or Palestine) were regularly using Greek and didn’t use as much Hebrew as in previous times, they felt the need to have the Scriptures in that language (Greek) for a better understanding. The Scriptures were collected together into the Septuagint Bible EVEN BEFORE the Hebrew Bible was put together in Jerusalem!!! Some Hebrew texts were lost, and the Deuterocanonical Books were not written in Hebrew, they were now only found in Greek, hence the Jerusalem religious authorities did not keep them in their Bible in Hebrew… (although in the Book of Daniel, strangely enough, they apparently kept the few verses which were in Aramaic!!!)
Now, one of the Book of the Macchabees tells us at one point that Judas and his companions prayed for the dead, and the author called it a worthwhile custom. And it’s one passage supporting the doctrine of the purgatory. For if the souls of the dead were only in heaven or in hell, there would be no need to pray for the dead at all!
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I thought praying to the dead was one of the ideas of them necromancer things/satan things, like I thought that was something Christianity was against? :eek: :confused:
 
Dear Christian Knight,
I too have a question for you.
Where do you find in the New Testament any passage that tells you that the Bible is the ONLY authoritative source and guide for us Christians?
(We Catholics are Christians, you already know that I hope!😉 )
I hope you don’t mind my asking the question.🙂
 
Not just a sure authoritative one, but the ONLY one? Where do you find that in the Bible?
 
Lapell said:
1-We are not turning to the saints for divination (invoking the spirits, turning the tables), which was what Moses meant by the interdiction of speaking to the dead: he meant that any practice pertaining to divination, sorcery, witchcraft, is away from the ways of the Lord and therefore we should avoid these practices by any means…
Also, have you never read how when Elisha was dead, somebody was fleeing away from desert bandits, and he was carrying a dead body.As he saw the bandits approaching he saw Elisha’s tomb, threw the body into the tomb and went away. And then, as the dead body of the man touched that of the prophet Elisha…the man came back to life! (2nd Book of the Kings, I don’t remember which chapter) And that’s in the Old Testament!!
Amazing, isn’t it!
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This is part of my previous answer to question no. 1, Christian Knight. You were quoting my answer about the doctrine of Purgatory…
 
Lapell said:
Dear Christian Knight,
I too have a question for you.
Where do you find in the New Testament any passage that tells you that the Bible is the ONLY authoritative source and guide for us Christians?
(We Catholics are Christians, you already know that I hope!😉 )
I hope you don’t mind my asking the question.🙂
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I guess nowhere (has never read the whole bible). I wouldn’t put anything above it though, except possibly, if I did believe the Pope had Christ through him (I seen the scripture for this, and I can see it, but just don’t want to believe it)
 
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