Questions re: SSPX & sedevacanists

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Can someone tell me what is the SSPX official position in regards to receiving Holy Communion at NO masses. Naturally, I do know they have issues with VII-but does the SSPX recognize the validity of the Holy Eucharist at the NO masses and have issue with the fullness of the Catholic Church as it relates to the entire Mass ( I hope I worded that right). Or does the SSPX take the same position as the sedevacanists who claim that all who go to NO masses are going to hell? Also I would like to know about the history of sedevacanists when did they come about? I have just learned about them within the last few years-are they breakaways from SSPX? In my mind they are both very similar in their beliefs, sometimes I have a hard time separating the two.
 
To find out information on what SSPX is, and what they officially believe, it’s best to check their website:

sspx.org/sspxfaqs.htm

This way, you’re not just getting somebody’s opinion or interpretation of what they think SSPX believes.
 
BigFeet said:
To find out information on what SSPX is, and what they officially believe, it’s best to check their website:

sspx.org/sspxfaqs.htm

This way, you’re not just getting somebody’s opinion or interpretation of what they think SSPX believes.
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Well, reading their Q&As page makes me quite convince they will never regain full communion with the church.
 
anjoh66 said:
Well, reading their Q&As page makes me quite convince they will never regain full communion with the church.
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I wouldn’t say that. I think there is a very good chance the FSSPX will be received into full communion with the Holy See. Benedict is certainly working very hard for it and it would be a very good day.

Pax Vobiscum
 
IrishDude45 said:
I wouldn’t say that. I think there is a very good chance the FSSPX will be received into full communion with the Holy See. Benedict is certainly working very hard for it and it would be a very good day.

Pax Vobiscum
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I think the journey is long before that can happen, i agree with some things SSPX says about ecumenism and so on. It has became too difficult for a newbie to join the church today, at least in my country, but i heard that it is quicker in other places.

Here it takes 2-3 years before someone can recieve baptism i think that is far too long, it acctually distance people to the church instead of joining it.
 
anjoh66 said:
I think the journey is long before that can happen, i agree with some things SSPX says about ecumenism and so on. It has became too difficult for a newbie to join the church today, at least in my country, but i heard that it is quicker in other places.

Here it takes 2-3 years before someone can recieve baptism i think that is far too long, it acctually distance people to the church instead of joining it.
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Why does it take 2-3 years?
The RCIA program is generally around 1 year or slightly less. That was my case and others I know in various countries.
 
thistle said:
Why does it take 2-3 years?
The RCIA program is generally around 1 year or slightly less. That was my case and others I know in various countries.
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I really dont know why, for example me, im in my second year now, but i wont be baptised this year, maybe, just maybe, next year.

In my opinion it is too long time.
 
anjoh66 said:
Well, reading their Q&As page makes me quite convince they will never regain full communion with the church.
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My friend in Christ, it’s no secret the Society has discouraged attendence at the Novus Ordo. But don’t forget, many Bishops have *suppressed * the TLM, both in the past and even today, and have even mistakingly believed it to be abrogated. But some have knowingly done this, and that is the same as discouraging Novus Ordo. No difference.

I asked a Priest if he had read the Summorum Pontificum. He answered yes, and I asked him if anyone in his parish had asked for the TLM. He said “a few, but we did away with the old Mass years ago”. I had a warm relationship with that priest, and I still love him. I don’t doubt his Faith. But after that day, the few times I’ve seen him, I can tell that question I asked changed his attitude toward me.

The Novus Ordo isn’t the only form being discouraged you see.

I’m not directing this at you anjoh, but all of this is really is getting old. All of the old reasons one could hold to in arguing against the Society are moot now. Our Holy Father is not senile. He knows what he’s getting. Does anyone here feel that if there was any doubt as to the compatibility of the SSPX stance on the issues, with the Catholic Church, that our Holy Father would have lifted the excommunications anyway ?

The only thing that matters now is news from Rome.

All Trads should wear T-shirts that read…

Google " Cardinal Hoyos"

His statements on the matter are gospel from here on 🙂
 
anjoh66 said:
Here it takes 2-3 years before someone can recieve baptism i think that is far too long, it acctually distance people to the church instead of joining it.
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:eek:

Ohhh, my goodness!!! Curiousity—why so long??
 
asia53 said:
:eek:

Ohhh, my goodness!!! Curiousity—why so long??
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That is a question i also use to ask my priest, and he always say that God has time and we should never rush the things.

I´ve been pondering over this its not just in my parish but all over the country, maybe because here is very seculiar and they had some occasions before that people joined the church and later left it, so they want people to be quite sure what they are doing.
 
I_Believe said:
I’m not directing this at you anjoh, but all of this is really is getting old. All of the old reasons one could hold to in arguing against the Society are moot now.
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Anjoh has a very good point. Read the sspx’s faq’s to find out just how wide the divide is between them and the “conciliar” Church that they so heavily criticize on their site. “All of the old reasons” are there in their own words. While I personally have no problems with the regularization of the order if the Pope thinks it is best, the sspx will have to swallow very hard to reconcile any handshake with the Vatican and the mindset shown on their website.
I_Believe said:
Our Holy Father is not senile. He knows what he’s getting.
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While I do not believe the Holy Father is senile, the controversy surrounding the lifting of the excommunication of Bishop Williamson shows that all pertinent information is sometimes not made available to the Holy Father.
 
Timothysis said:
Anjoh has a very good point. Read the sspx’s faq’s to find out just how wide the divide is between them and the “conciliar” Church that they so heavily criticize on their site. “All of the old reasons” are there in their own words. While I personally have no problems with the regularization of the order if the Pope thinks it is best, the sspx will have to swallow very hard to reconcile any handshake with the Vatican and the mindset shown on their website.
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Yes its quite clear, their points of view will not easily be accepted in Rome, especially since Rome issued the decree that they must submit fully to the V II, a reunion will be very difficult indeed.
 
I_Believe said:
Does anyone here feel that if there was any doubt as to the compatibility of the SSPX stance on the issues, with the Catholic Church, that our Holy Father would have lifted the excommunications anyway ?

The only thing that matters now is news from Rome.

All Trads should wear T-shirts that read…

Google " Cardinal Hoyos"

His statements on the matter are gospel from here on 🙂
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Yes i think there is great doubt to the compatibility between SSPX and the Holy See.

Since lifting the excommunications is only a step that didnt really change anything, they still are not allowed to hold masses in the church and they still are considered illicit ordained, the only thing the Holy Father did was allowing them into the church again, but he didnt permit them to carry out any priestly duties.

So what did this permission or lifting really change or mean?

It changed nothing, and meant nothing also, its just a game with words since their status has not changed.
 
Timothysis said:
Anjoh has a very good point. Read the sspx’s faq’s to find out just how wide the divide is between them and the “conciliar” Church that they so heavily criticize on their site. “All of the old reasons” are there in their own words. While I personally have no problems with the regularization of the order if the Pope thinks it is best, the sspx will have to swallow very hard to reconcile any handshake with the Vatican and the mindset shown on their website.

While I do not believe the Holy Father is senile, the controversy surrounding the lifting of the excommunication of Bishop Williamson shows that all pertinent information is sometimes not made available to the Holy Father.
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When the scoop leaked on the excommunications statement, it was days before the statement. Perhaps BXVI didn’t know, but it sure was all over the internet. I have a hunch he did.

At least we agree there are two mindsets at work. And again, yes they have a stance on what has happened since VII. Their opinion.
Other clegy have their opinions as well, pro and con. Welcome to the Church. This has been going on for centuries. 🤷

We have no idea what is being discussed, but I truly believe the SSPX Clergy will have the suspensions lifted before Easter.
 
anjoh66 said:
Yes i think there is great doubt to the compatibility between SSPX and the Holy See.

Since lifting the excommunications is only a step that didnt really change anything, they still are not allowed to hold masses in the church and they still are considered illicit ordained, the only thing the Holy Father did was allowing them into the church again, but he didnt permit them to carry out any priestly duties.

So what did this permission or lifting really change or mean?

It changed nothing, and meant nothing also, its just a game with words since their status has not changed.
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Well hey, you can’t deny it shocked the world 👍
 
I_Believe said:
When the scoop leaked on the excommunications statement, it was days before the statement. Perhaps BXVI didn’t know, but it sure was all over the internet. I have a hunch he did.

At least we agree there are two mindsets at work. And again, yes they have a stance on what has happened since VII. Their opinion.
Other clegy have their opinions as well, pro and con. Welcome to the Church. This has been going on for centuries. 🤷

We have no idea what is being discussed, but I truly believe the SSPX Clergy will have the suspensions lifted before Easter.
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I should clarify, I meant that the Williamson interview was news days before the excommunication anouncement.
 
:okpeople: My thread has been hijacked. :nunchuk: I’m really annoyed. **I Believe **you were the first to participate in this thread with scarcasism…and you continue to add your two cents…but have yet answered the questions-but have successfully completely danced around the questions. You dance very well I might add. :dancing: :banghead: :banghead: I’ll chalk it up to being a man thing:shrug:
 
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