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Gorgias
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So… only Timothy needs to be equipped to do good works, then? Or do you and I, too? No – the ὁ τοῦ Θεοῦ ἄνθρωπος about whom Paul is talking is each one of us!
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Yes, you are… you deny the Holy Spirit’s ability to guide to God’s Truth, because it’s not being done in the way you understand.
Yes, because it’s what I said an exaggerated number of post ago. Remember our conversation on core beliefs… you said the same thing except you’re saying core beliefs must come from the Catholic Church.
I know, which is why I said with the Holy Spirit… which is also what the CCC teaches.
III. THE HOLY SPIRIT, INTERPRETER OF SCRIPTURE
109 In Sacred Scripture, God speaks to man in a human way. To interpret Scripture correctly, the reader must be attentive to what the human authors truly wanted to affirm, and to what God wanted to reveal to us by their words.
110 In order to discover the sacred authors’ intention , the reader must take into account the conditions of their time and culture, the literary genres in use at that time, and the modes of feeling, speaking and narrating then current. “For the fact is that truth is differently presented and expressed in the various types of historical writing, in prophetical and poetical texts, and in other forms of literary expression.”
111 But since Sacred Scripture is inspired, there is another and no less important principle of correct interpretation, without which Scripture would remain a dead letter. “Sacred Scripture must be read and interpreted in the light of the same Spirit by whom it was written.” If you want to read more then what I posted… Click here.
You seem to keep thinking, I’m on my own. My own thoughts, ideas and interpretation and I’m constantly reminding you. I’m not, I’m following the thought, ideas and interpretations given to me through the Holy Spirit because of my faith in my prayers to God for understanding. You don’t believe me yet the CCC says using the Holy Spirit is very important for understanding Scripture… with the Holy Spirit, Scripture can be used as mentioned in 2 Timothy 3:16… useful for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness… Click here for entire 2 Timothy 3 passage.
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Only if used without the guidance of the Holy Spirit.
FYI, I said the Bible is a “tool” because those are the words you use… the Bible is not a tool like a hammer, the Holy Spirit, God makes the difference.
You said “the question can be answered in a variety of ways, depending on how you phrase the question.” So, when I say God gave us the Bible for a reason and you say “The Church gave us the Bible for a reason.” You have to specify which of the variety of ways you are answering the question, ‘Who is the Church’?
How is what you said change what I said… Faith comes from what is heard, and what is heard comes through the Word of Christ.
True… but we can still use the Bible to learn, understand and share the Word of God with the Holy Spirit guiding us.
My version, what do you mean by my version… I used the Catholic Bible; what version are you using?
Scripture is the Bible, the Word of God. Some people have more books in their Bible then others. Which is why I said God breathed as many books as He needs us to have.
I know (understand) there are points (lack of a better word) for something to be considered Scripture… I think how it fits in history, compares to what others have written and main point what is said about Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior.
Anything that goes against God would not be considered Scripture.
That’s why I said it depends on what you consider Scripture, what is being said about Jesus Christ being your Lord and Savior… what is being said about God’s Truth, the Holy Spirit… are you being brought closer to God, a better understanding, comfort, insight to others, inspiration to follow the Will of God? What do you consider Scripture?
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Pope Francis recently revised what the CCC said about the death penalty.
https://press.vatican.va/content/salastampa/en/bollettino/pubblico/2018/08/02/180802a.html
https://press.vatican.va/content/salastampa/en/bollettino/pubblico/2018/08/02/180802a.html
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Elf01
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Is there a correct number of books in the Bible?
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annad347
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With faith in God yes.
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Elf01
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How can we know if a book is Scripture?
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annad347
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It obvious, I’m not giving you the answer you are looking for so why not just say what you want to say… I already answered this question.
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Justin_Mary
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I’m replying to what you are saying in this quote. It’s possible that a lot is going on outside this quote that none of us are aware of. That said,
If a person places the authority of “the Bible” & their interpretation of the Bible above teaching of the Church, then it’s not the Holy Spirit that guides them. It is error. That person (again, not saying you in particular) is following the error in their interpretation of what the Holy Spirit is revealing.
No. It depends on what the Church considers scripture. If I or anyone else consider something else as scripture, they are in error.
Or are we being brought closer to our image of God? Which may very well be a false image of God, even for a devout, pious Catholic.
If we don’t recognize Christ’s Church as His instrument of choice to protect His truth, we very easily fall to error.
if we hold the belief that God’s Church extends beyond the Catholic Church, so much that we distort the truth (Methodist/Anglican/Lutheran communion is as efficacious as Catholic communion, confessing my sins to God in prayer is as efficacious as the sacrament of Reconciliation, or that the Curch errs in her doctrine) we are in error.
She, the Church, is here to protect us from error, to point us toward Christ in Truth.
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o_mlly
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I certainly hope so! See: 1 Tim 5:23.
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annad347
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Someone do me a favor… please define the difference between…
The Church and The Catholic Church.
Sometime some comments make it seem as there is a difference between the two.
and if you say The Church is the early Church does that mean it’s separate from the Catholic Church or are they the same?
I think I’ll be able to follow your comments better if I could trully identify who or what is the Church.
The Church and The Catholic Church.
Sometime some comments make it seem as there is a difference between the two.
and if you say The Church is the early Church does that mean it’s separate from the Catholic Church or are they the same?
I think I’ll be able to follow your comments better if I could trully identify who or what is the Church.
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Justin_Mary
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The Church is the Catholic Church.
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Montrose
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The Church and the Catholic Church are the same and its the only one established by Christ.
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annad347
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So if the Church is the Catholic Church then why not just say the Catholic Church… it would be less confusing when you say the Church.
Which is what I said before, if the Holy Spirit is not leading me to the Catholic church, I’m either not following God ~or~ I’m ignoring the God.
But only God knows the truth.
Not saying that is the case in the Catholic Church but is the reason I asked about the Catechism, to better understand one of the main sources used in Catholic Church teachings… it is eye opening, not in a positive or negative way, just very interesting.
Which is what I said before, if the Holy Spirit is not leading me to the Catholic church, I’m either not following God ~or~ I’m ignoring the God.
But only God knows the truth.
Very True… but if a person who has authority teaches you something that goes against what you do know about God (no matter how little you might know), you could use what is written in the Bible to question what is being taught to help you understand why you are being told something different… with the Holy Spirit you will be led to God.
Not saying that is the case in the Catholic Church but is the reason I asked about the Catechism, to better understand one of the main sources used in Catholic Church teachings… it is eye opening, not in a positive or negative way, just very interesting.
That question was for @Elf01, he/she is trying to make a point about something that I’m not sure what it is…
See here, I’m think you’re talking about God, the Holy Spirit as the head of the Church, it’s protector in God’s Truth… is that what you mean?
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Montrose
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Its shorter to say the Church and every Catholic knows what that means.
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annad347
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not every Catholic… I’m thinking. 
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Julius_Caesar
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Anyone can play dumb.
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annad347
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and then there are those who believe the Church is God, as the Holy Spirit, who is the head of the Church.
So when you say the Church are you talking the Church as in God or the church as in man?
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Gorgias
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No. We believe that Jesus gave the Church his proxy to act in His name, and with His authority. That doesn’t make the Church “God”, but it does give the Church authority.
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annad347
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God is still in control and in charge.
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