Quintessential library for Tridentine Catholics

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Just curious if people would like to contribute ideas to my (hypothetical) library. I’m a poor fresh-out-of-college engaged bachelor at the moment so this collection is going to grow very slowly, but I’ve had in mind buying the following at some point:
  • 1962 Roman Missal
  • Roman Martyrology (don’t know anything about the different yearly editions of this)
  • Catechism of Pope St. Pius X
  • Catechism of the Council of Trent
  • 1961 Roman Breviary
  • Graduale Romanum
  • Clementine Vulgate + Douay-Rheims Challoner Bible
I doubt the Code of Canon Law would be of much use to me but I’ve thought about getting some abbreviation of that.

God bless!
 
Just curious if people would like to contribute ideas to my (hypothetical) library. I’m a poor fresh-out-of-college engaged bachelor at the moment so this collection is going to grow very slowly, but I’ve had in mind buying the following at some point:
  • 1962 Roman Missal
  • Roman Martyrology (don’t know anything about the different yearly editions of this)
  • Catechism of Pope St. Pius X
  • Catechism of the Council of Trent
  • -]1961 Roman Breviary/-] Monastic breviary
  • Graduale Romanum
  • Clementine Vulgate + Douay-Rheims Challoner Bible
I doubt the Code of Canon Law would be of much use to me but I’ve thought about getting some abbreviation of that.

God bless!
There, fixed that for you. The 1961 Roman Breviary can hardly be called “Tridentine” since its schema was first defined by Pius X in 1910. The Monastic Breviary (I have a 1950 edition as well as the current post-Vatican II version), has the advantage of being the oldest breviary in current approved use; since the time of St. Benedict in the 6th century. The actual Tridentine breviary was abrogated and prohibited by Pius X in 1910.

The Martyrology is still published, in Latin. I have the latest version. I would think you’d want the latest version as it will be most up-to-date with regards to saints.
 
The Breviarium Monastium is only used by monks in the Order of St. Benedict. Priests and deacons prior to Vatican II prayed the Breviarum Romanum; this is because the Benedictine Divine Office would require you to wake up at midnight for Matins and go to sleep no earlier than after Compline at 9pm, which is basically an impossible prayer schedule to keep unless you’re retired or live in some kind of monastery or priory.

Also, to my knowledge, most traditionalist Catholics accept without quandary all the official pre-Vatican II alterations to prayer and liturgy. It’s exceedingly rare to find somebody that prays a pre-1570 Missal (mostly because they were printed in a Latin font type that is unreadable by today’s standards).

God bless!
 
Unless you’re a seminarian, I think the Baltimore Catechism may be better suited than the Roman Catechism.

I would also look into an old copy of Butler’s Lives of the Saints.

You can at least get the catechism, missal, and partial breviary for laity on a budget of $100.
 
The Breviarium Monastium is only used by monks in the Order of St. Benedict. Priests and deacons prior to Vatican II prayed the Breviarum Romanum; this is because the Benedictine Divine Office would require you to wake up at midnight for Matins and go to sleep no earlier than after Compline at 9pm, which is basically an impossible prayer schedule to keep unless you’re retired or live in some kind of monastery or priory.

Also, to my knowledge, most traditionalist Catholics accept without quandary all the official pre-Vatican II alterations to prayer and liturgy. It’s exceedingly rare to find somebody that prays a pre-1570 Missal (mostly because they were printed in a Latin font type that is unreadable by today’s standards).

God bless!
Benedictines variously do Matins either anticipated the night before, or around 4-5 am, in my experience at several monasteries, including one which uses the post-Vatican II version of the traditional Benedictine Office.

Compline at the abbey I’m an oblate of, is at 7:45 pm, and Matins at 5 am, which allows a full 9 hours between compline and rising for Matins. I don’t understand where you get your notion that they cannot go to sleep any earlier than Compline at 9 pm when Compline’s exact time has never been mandated AFAIK. A wise abbot will ensure that his monks get enough balance between work, prayer, sleep and recreation.

It does puzzle me that the 1910 Divine Office reforms are accepted but any post-Vatican II versions are not; the 1910 reforms were pretty radical, and certainly not “organic” which is the main argument against the Post V-II reforms, that they aren’t “organic”. Monastic Schema B (post V-II) is much lighter than the traditional Benedictine schema but retains the tradition of doing the entire psalter in a week.

Clear Creek Abbey in Oklahoma does the pre-Vatican II Traditional Latin Mass and Divine Offices.

Their schedule has Matins at 5:15 am, and Compline at 8:25 pm.

I think only the Carthusians these days are the ones who get up at midnight for Matins. Barroux, also traditionalists Benedictines, do Matins at 3:30 am and Compline at 7:45 pm.

The thing with Benedictines is that there’s as much variation as there are abbeys, as abbeys retain a significant degree of independence. And as Oblates, we’re allowed to fit the Divine Office to the realities of daily life; I sincerely doubt that even praying the 1961 Breviary in full on a daily basis is within the reach of most busy laity with families and jobs/professions; even that Office has 9 psalms, and there’s Prime, Terce, Sext and None. Most will do either the diurnal Offices only, or Lauds, Vespers and Compline. I know it’s a struggle for me; in summer when I’m busier and try to get to work earlier so I can have more time in the evening, I switch to the current LOTH; otherwise I do Monastic schema B like at our abbey on a two-week schedule, doing Matins at 6 am and Lauds at 7 am. In summer I combine the Office of Readings into Matins+Lauds.

In St. Benedict’s time, Matins was timed so that immediately after, at sunrise Lauds would be chanted. That meant in summer, a very short interval between the two Offices, and abbreviated readings at Matins (patristic second reading replaced by a short reading and responsory). Things were timed around the sun, not a clock.

In short the Benedictine day was never written in stone throughout the Benedictine world, each abbey had authority over organizing its own day and psalter.
 
Others have mentioned the Baltimore Catechism. The Roman Catechism, aka the Catechism of the Council of Trent, is also very good, very readable, and by no means above the head of an ordinary Catholic.

I’d also suggest anything by St. Thomas Aquinas, St. Francis de Sales, St. Louis de Montfort, and by the Fathers of the Church, especially St. Augustine (Confessions and City of God are the most popular and influential).
 
While the new Roman Martyrology is certainly good–in fact I recommend getting it–I still recommend getting the old one as well, which, correct me if I’m wrong, is the one authorized for use in the context of Tridentine liturgies of various varieties.
 
Perhaps slightly off topic - but where does one buy a current martyrology???
 
Unless you’re a seminarian, I think the Baltimore Catechism may be better suited than the Roman Catechism.

I would also look into an old copy of Butler’s Lives of the Saints.

You can at least get the catechism, missal, and partial breviary for laity on a budget of $100.
Not only for seminarians!

I think the Baltimore Catechism is nice to start with, but I need more meat.
 
I would add “The Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma” by Fr Ludwig Ott(a neat name). Spirago and Clarke’s Catechism is very good. Also, either Fr Dominic Prummer or Jone-Adelman’s “Moral Theology” is very inciteful.
The Haydock Bible is great for it’s commentary. Fr Henle’s Latin Series is very good to learn from. Having an old Raccolta is recommended(there is a reprint available of the '57 version). Denzinger is also handy.

Have fun.
CB
 
Just curious if people would like to contribute ideas to my (hypothetical) library. I’m a poor fresh-out-of-college engaged bachelor at the moment so this collection is going to grow very slowly, but I’ve had in mind buying the following at some point:
  • 1962 Roman Missal
  • Roman Martyrology (don’t know anything about the different yearly editions of this)
  • Catechism of Pope St. Pius X
  • Catechism of the Council of Trent
  • 1961 Roman Breviary
  • Graduale Romanum
  • Clementine Vulgate + Douay-Rheims Challoner Bible
I doubt the Code of Canon Law would be of much use to me but I’ve thought about getting some abbreviation of that.

God bless!
Nice library 👍
 
Just curious if people would like to contribute ideas to my (hypothetical) library. I’m a poor fresh-out-of-college engaged bachelor at the moment so this collection is going to grow very slowly, but I’ve had in mind buying the following at some point:
  • 1962 Roman Missal
  • Roman Martyrology (don’t know anything about the different yearly editions of this)
  • Catechism of Pope St. Pius X
  • Catechism of the Council of Trent
  • 1961 Roman Breviary
  • Graduale Romanum
  • Clementine Vulgate + Douay-Rheims Challoner Bible
I doubt the Code of Canon Law would be of much use to me but I’ve thought about getting some abbreviation of that.

God bless!
#1.) The Holy Bible (more than one edition if possible.) Start with something actually readable like the NAB and the RSVCE.

#2.) The Catechism of the Catholic Church.

#3.) A couple of good commentaries for #1.
 
  • 1962 Roman Missal
  • Roman Martyrology (don’t know anything about the different yearly editions of this)
  • Catechism of Pope St. Pius X
  • Catechism of the Council of Trent
  • 1961 Roman Breviary
  • Graduale Romanum
  • Clementine Vulgate + Douay-Rheims Challoner Bible
  • True Devotion
  • Catena Aurea
  • The Imitation of Christ
  • Scivias (perhaps a stretch for a common library, great book though)
 
I always recommend these three books written by Father Laux written in the 40’s I think:

=- Chief Truths of the Faith
– Catholic Morality
– Mass and the Sacraments

You can get some of them used for under $4.00.

In addition:
  • Introduction to the Devout Life by St Francis La Sales
  • The Art of Prayer: An Orthodox Anthology
    – The Collected of St Teresa of Avila
  • Confessions, Saint Augustine
    – The Perfect Joy of St Francis, Felix Timmermans
  • The Life of St Dominic, Augusta T Drane
    – Divine Intimacy: Meditations on the Interior Life for Every Day of the Liturgical Year, Fr. Gabriel
    – Fire Within, by Fr. Dubay
    – Happy are you Poor by Fr. Dubay
  • The Practice of the Presence of God by Br. Lawrence
  • The Spiritual Combat by Lorenzo Scupoli
This one isn’t “Tridentine”, but I found it to be an amazing approach through prayer from an Eastern perspective: The Art of Prayer, an Orthodox Anthology.
 
I would add…

Faith of Our Fathers-Cardinal Gibbons

Faith of the Early Fathers-William Jurgens
 
#1.) The Holy Bible (more than one edition if possible.) Start with something actually readable like the NAB and the RSVCE.

#2.) The Catechism of the Catholic Church.

#3.) A couple of good commentaries for #1.
The NAB is a terrible translation of the Bible. Why would I “start with something more readable” if I’ve already indicated that I can read Latin well enough to use the Vulgate?
 
EphelDuath,

Amen to the idea of not starting off with the NAB or RSV. If you can handle the Vulgate, that is the way to go. The Douay-Rheims would be 1st choice in English, Confraternity of Christian Doctrine #2.
CB
 
As for a breviary : pick up the Monastic Breviary. The actual hours the hours are to be prayed don’t apply to you, a lay person. You are free to pray some/all/none of the hours at your convenience.

As for a catechism : hands down Catechism of the Council of Trent. The Baltimore Catechism and the Catechism of Pius X are a good start, but, in my opinion, don’t go into enough depth.

Other books mentioned :
Imitation of Christ
Rule of St Benedict
Introduction to the Devout Life (St Frances de Sales)
Confessions of St Augustine
 
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