QUIZ: when was the BEGINNING of the Church?

[friardchips]

The Catechism reference is pointing to the first GATHERED manifestation. So:

NO.

 

[goout]

Ummm, yes, it is Pentecost. The Catechism explicitly states that this is when the Church became manifested.

At the end of this mission of the Spirit, Mary became the Woman, the new Eve (“mother of the living”), the mother of the “whole Christ.” As such, she was present with the Twelve, who “with one accord devoted themselves to prayer,” at the dawn of the “end time” which the Spirit was to inaugurate on the morning of Pentecost with the manifestation of the Church. CCC 726

Manifestation is one thing.
Origin in God is another…of course all things are “in God” ultimately.

They come together in the Incarnation. Christ is…objectively, the Church. Human brought into communion with Divine.

 

[CRM_Brother]

It can’t be that this was just the first time the Church had gathered, because they had been hiding and traveling together for ten days between the Ascension and Pentecost. The only difference in the gathering was the descent of the Holy Spirit. If they weren’t the first gathered manifestation of the Church before and they were after, then the descent of the Holy Spirit must have been the beginning of the Church.

 

[friardchips]

No. Nice addition to the quiz, however. Thanks.

 

[Roseeurekacross]

You might like to define your question further if you don’t consider it to be Pentecost or the Passion and Resurrection of Jesus

 

[friardchips]

Around the time of Pentecost was the first literal gathering of the people of God after Christ’s Life, Death, Resurrection, and Ascension. The Holy Spirit is of all things holy because God’s Spirit hovered over the depths at the dawn of Creation. On Pentecost, the Holy Spirit annointed the first gathered people of God, and was with them in a new way. This was not, however, the ‘beginning of the Church’.

 

[friardchips]

Half the fun is having people participate. Otherwise I might as well have just posted the answer. I prefer it this way. More interractive.

 

[Roseeurekacross]

However, right now you are going against accepted Catholic teaching, so you are confusing your audience.

 

[goout]

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p123a9p1.htm

The Church - instituted by Christ Jesus

**[763]It was the Son’s task to accomplish the Father’s plan of salvation in the fullness of time. Its accomplishment was the reason for his being sent.160 "The Lord Jesus inaugurated his Church by preaching the Good News, that is, the coming of the Reign of God, promised over the ages in the scriptures."161 To fulfill the Father’s will, Christ ushered in the Kingdom of heaven on earth. The Church "is the Reign of Christ already present in mystery."162

**[764] "This Kingdom shines out before men in the word, in the works and in the presence of Christ."163 To welcome Jesus’ word is to welcome "the Kingdom itself."164 The seed and beginning of the Kingdom are the “little flock” of those whom Jesus came to gather around him, the flock whose shepherd he is.165 They form Jesus’ true family.166 To those whom he thus gathered around him, he taught a new “way of acting” and a prayer of their own.167

Does Christ speak from the womb? If Christ is The Word, then is his “mere” conception lacking in profundity or power?
Of course The Word speaks from his very conception, in no less powerful fashion. And techincally, he speaks from all eternity, but we are talking about the nature of the Church…

 

[Sirach2]

Eph. 1:4 "He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world …

Is this a trick question? What is the magic number of posts after which you will accommodate those who responded?

 

[Roseeurekacross]

goout is that from the catechism

 

[CRM_Brother]

And yet, the Catechism states that the Christian concept of Church cannot be separated from the assembly (gathering) of the people of God.

In Christian usage, the word “church” designates the liturgical assembly, but also the local community or the whole universal community of believers. These three meanings are inseparable. “The Church” is the People that God gathers in the whole world. She exists in local communities and is made real as a liturgical, above all a Eucharistic, assembly. She draws her life from the word and the Body of Christ and so herself becomes Christ’s Body. CCC 752

If the other origins of the concept of Church cannot be separated from the actual gathering of the People of God, then the Church cannot come into being until that People is gathered for the first time.

 

[friardchips]

Do you think that I would be posting this if I thought for one minute that my knowledge was not (provable) Catholic teaching?!

 

[goout]

And yet, the Catechism states that the Christian concept of Church cannot be separated from the assembly (gathering) of the people of God.

In Christian usage, the word “church” designates the liturgical assembly, but also the local community or the whole universal community of believers. These three meanings are inseparable. “The Church” is the People that God gathers in the whole world. She exists in local communities and is made real as a liturgical, above all a Eucharistic, assembly. She draws her life from the word and the Body of Christ and so herself becomes Christ’s Body. CCC 752

Where is that people gathered with Christ for the first time?

 

[Roseeurekacross]

I am, however i am telling you that you are confusing us with the meanings. The meanings of the words, the terms. Those might require some more definition. We don’t all speak the same English

 

[friardchips]

When people get the answer right. It’s a quiz.

The Eph. 1:4 citation is more along the lines of understanding as to how this divine truth is to be understood.

 

[CRM_Brother]

I refer back to CCC 726 above. Even @friardchips agrees that this is when the People of God are gathered together as the Church for the first time.

The Catechism reference is pointing to the first GATHERED manifestation.

 

[Roseeurekacross]

I could answer Pentecost, I could answer the Passion and Resurrection, I could answer when people were first referred to as Christians in the New Testament in the Acts of the Apostles, Acts 11:19-26

Antioch and Paul.
I could say, do you mean the Latin Rite Roman Catholic Church? Or Christianity?

 

[goout]

I refer back to CCC 726 above. Even @friardchips agrees that this is when they People of God are gathered together as the Church for the first time.

friardchips:

The Catechism reference is pointing to the first GATHERED manifestation.

Which is the womb of the virgin, who the Church officially recognizes as “The Mother of the Church”, since Christ himself is the Church, united in his Incarnation etc…

Everyone have a blessed day I have work to do.

 

[CRM_Brother]

She is known as Mother of the Church because Christ gave her to us as his mother on the cross, not because Christ is immediately identical with the Church itself. He is the Head of the body, the Church. While Christ leads the Church, He is distinct from the Church as a whole.