QUIZ: when was the BEGINNING of the Church?

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It was fun for awhile but most have gathered their toys and left the sandbox. In your post#1 you stated you do have an answer and promised to post it sometime. Don’t forget!
 
Not you as well! I will post but am holding out hope that someone will get this. Many are on the right lines and all of what people have put forward is relevant on some level. I haven’t answered all the posts yet but will do. If I have not answered all yours so far then I will get around to it. Thank you for your additions to the thread.
 
ALL came to be through Christ (the Prologue is an area that people could do with visiting regularly in Scripture - thank you for the inclusion) yet the beginning of the Church is at a specific time.
 
The Church was born in the heart of God the Father as part of his glorious plan from the beginning. As the Catechism goes on to explain:

" The eternal Father , in accordance with the utterly gratuitous and mysterious design of his wisdom and goodness, created the whole universe and chose to raise up men to share in his own divine life," to which he calls all men in his Son. “The Father . . . determined to call together in a holy Church those who should believe in Christ.” This “family of God” is gradually formed and takes shape during the stages of human history, in keeping with the Father’s plan. In fact, “already present in figure at the beginning of the world, this Church was prepared in marvelous fashion in the history of the people of Israel and the old Alliance. Established in this last age of the world and made manifest in the outpouring of the Spirit, it will be brought to glorious completion at the end of time.” (759).
 
I realize that I am an outsider but I do enjoy the idea you put forward. I like those kind of games and think it is a stimulating way to participate in this forum rather than just debating and mud slinging. I would gladly participate in more and I think it would produce healthy results but would put forth a motion that we limit it to 100 posts at which time the instigator must reveal the answer. Thanks.
 
‘The wonderous SACRAMENT of the whole Church’. Christ was the Sacrificial Lamb through which we have the Sacraments.

‘The Holy Spirit was sent…in order that He might CONTINUALLY SANCTIFY the Church.’

‘The Church was openly displayed to the crowds and the spread of the Gospel among THE NATIONS.’

Context. Not the right answer. Nice references, however. All is relevant.
 
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Now theres a compromise! Might have to UP that amount. :cowboy_hat_face:
 
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A hundred posts in, and I’m growing weary of this. 😠🚬

Should I come back tomorrow?
 
I thought it was great and along the right lines, and didn’t ‘take issue’ with it. If you follow this line of reasoning then you are closer, I believe, to eventually thinking upon the answer. This quote too, is most relevant.
 
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MT1926 said:
The Church was born in the heart of God the Father as part of his glorious plan from the beginning. As the Catechism goes on to explain:
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If this isn’t the answer you are looking for then you need to go back and reword your initial question or define your terms.

The only other thing I can think of, because of your failure to define your terms or rules, is the only logical answer would be there was no “BEGINNING” of the Church because the Church was born in the heart of God who has no “BEGINNING”. Therefore logically speaking the Church always existed in God’s heart.

God Bless
 
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Thank you for this post. The Means through which we are saved, sure. Although not the exact answer, it is one such post that I don’t really want to offer comment in reply as it is a good one.
 
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A clever answer. I suppose I could have defined my question with extrapolation except I thought that it didn’t need it. If I make it too easy then it would have been only a two-or-three-reply thread, at most.
 
Nice post - thank you for the Catechism reference - and enroute to the right answer.
 
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If it ends it, you don’t get your answer!
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I don’t know what your answer is going to be, but I already know the answer. See John Paul II’s general audience on October 2, 1991.

I won’t spoil his answer to the question, but the title of the audience is “The Birth of the Church at Pentecost.”
 
The question is ill-defined. Who knows what the OP has cooked up? Who even knows what he means by the words he uses?

There are basically only two acceptable answers which have been given multiple times. They come directly from magisterial teaching.

It’s either that the church has always existed as it has existed eternally in the heart of God who is outside space and time or that the church materially came into full existence on the day of Pentecost. So says the church.
 
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A clever answer. I suppose I could have defined my question with extrapolation except I thought that it didn’t need it. If I make it too easy then it would have been only a two-or-three-reply thread, at most.
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This entire thread reminds me of I guy that failed his final in college. When he questioned the professor why his answer was wrong the professor simple said that isn’t the answer he wanted.

The student pushed this up to the dean who ended up bringing in a mediator to oversee the dispute. When the mediator interceded and went over the test with the student he gave the mediator yet another different answer. The mediator having the answer said that isn’t correct either. The student told him yes it is one of the ways to get to the solution. He then went off to rattle off 20 more ways that he could answer the same problem. The mediator finally said to the student you actually know the answer the professor is looking for don’t you?

The student responded of course I do, I am just sick of these lazy teachers who won’t give well thought out questions and expect us to regurgitate the answer they gave in class, instead of actually teaching us something by realizing that there is more than one solution to the problem.

You remind me of that professor.

Hope you are able to learn something from this thread, the rest of us won’t.

God Bless
 
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