QUIZ: when was the BEGINNING of the Church?

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Great Pope, and Saint.

Context is key. He was speaking in context.

Not the right answer.
 
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revealing the answer you have in mind before then would be appreciated.
 
I said I liked your post, but would like to clarify why. It’s humor is very much on point. OTOH, I don’t know how much I will appreciate an answer from the OP at this point. Do not know why I even opened the thread. I actually doubt the OP can give a answer with a coherent argument, he has had plenty of opportunities. I think he has an answer, but when he saw that other answers have solid reasoning behind them, he realizes how weak his argument is and is doing futhur research to back it up. It is, after all, tough to argue with Pope John Paul II.
 
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It is, after all, tough to argue with Pope John Paul II.
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Not just JPII, but millennia of Catholic thinkers, theologians, and popes. Not to mention the apostles themselves. Still, I think our dear OP intends to try. 🙂
 
Did you actually read the General Audience? If not, you have no idea if is out of context.
 
While Christ had entered into the ‘chosen people’s’ religion, He was also Divine, and therefore, was not ever limited to that one religion, in the sense that ALL of Creation came to be through Him. The fulfilling of the Old Covenant was through that religion, as it is this suffering peoples, through whom God revealed Himself and the prophets spoke of the forthcoming gift to humanity, while it is that the invitation was always open to everyone. Remember that those who were not of Judaism were also approached by Him and then St. Paul preached to the gentiles. So, the point is, that God was both human and Divine in a mystical way that we cannot fathom, and as such, His Divinity was relevant to His actual perceived time, fulfilling God’s People Israel, but also before He was born as The Word, and after His Resurrection - because He was always God - when we see in gathered manifested terms, His (New) ‘People Israel’. Once called, always called. The Resurrection was a universal happening fulfilled through Judaism yet for the whole world, forever, in time and eternity. The Resurrection was the means through which we were saved.
 
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Egh… I’m going to have to both agree and disagree. I agree that in God’s eternal nature, the “Church” has always existed. However, you asked specifically when the church “Began”. “To begin” is a concept that only makes sense in time, and so it requires an answer that is limited to the temporal realm. You cannot answer the question of “when” with “eternally”, one is asking about time, the other is discussing a nature.

As such, I believe you do not sufficiently answer your own question as it has been stated.
 
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‘The Church is Christ’s mystical body’.

This is also a step in the right direction. Its actually in the sentence (or words to that effect) I am going to write eventually as answer.
 
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I did not reply to this, I think. Certainly a moment of importance but as was said to the other whom I had dialogue with later regarding this theory: no.
 
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Can I guess 2?
Christmas? Or The Annunciation (Day Jesus was conceived)?

Or, this will give me a 1 in 7 chance of getting it correct - On a Monday?
 
You can guess as many times as you like! Both most holy and relevant; both incorrect. Although these events could lead to the answer if one went back in time, time-wise (HINT GIVEN).
 
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Mijoy2 said:
The Annunciation (Day Jesus was conceived)?
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I feel like he is looking for something more persnickety like The Immaculate Conception.

(ETA: I am NOT saying the IC is a fussy detail itself. Rather, the IC as an answer to the OP’s question requires a fussy and technical approach to identifying the beginnings of the church.)
 
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Seems it can be answered many ways. But you have one event in mind. This is fun.

-Immaculate Conception - first creature (Mary) involvement in the time Jesus reigned on earth.
-Day one of the the Creation narrative in Genesis. (beginning of it all) After all - God had/has a plan from day 1.
 
The reasoning is most interesting: that the Church was given by the Three Persons at different times; however, the Holy Trinity is always One: “I and the Father are One”; Jesus said He would send the Holy Spirit after His Ascension; the Holy Spirit sends Jesus into the wilderness.
 
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friardchips said:
While Christ had entered into the ‘chosen people’s’ religion, He was also Divine, and therefore, was not ever limited to that one religion, in the sense that ALL of Creation came to be through Him. The fulfilling of the Old Covenant was through that religion, as it is this suffering peoples, through whom God revealed Himself and the prophets spoke of the forthcoming gift to humanity, while it is that the invitation was always open to everyone. Remember that those who were not of Judaism were also approached by Him and then St. Paul preached to the gentiles. So, the point is, that God was both human and Divine in a mystical way that we cannot fathom, and as such, His Divinity was relevant to His actual perceived time, fulfilling God’s People Israel, but also before He was born as The Word, and after His Resurrection - because He was always God - when we see in gathered manifested terms, His (New) ‘People Israel’. Once called, always called. The Resurrection was a universal happening fulfilled through Judaism yet for the whole world, forever, in time and eternity. The Resurrection was the means through which we were saved.
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Jesus Christ is the entrance of God into humanity.
God was not “both human and divine in a mystical way”. In the Incarnation, God enters into human history and condition. “In the fullness of time”. Not before.
It is true the Second Person of the Blessed Trinity is eternal, but the Incarnation is what it is.
 
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A 50/50 chance.

I like the Immaculate Conception - reason,
The Church - is a part of the whole (story) - therefore - the beginning of “The Church” as we know and love Her.
 
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