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The First Vatican Council (1869-1870) confronted these and other approaches to the question of God: materialism,rationalism,pantheism, and the like. In its Dogmatic Constitution on the Catholic Faith, the council taught that "there is one God, true and living, Creator and Lord of heaven and earth,mighty,eternal,immense,incomprehensible, infinite in [divine] intellect and will and in all perfection. As [God] is one unique and spiritual substance, entirely simple and unchangeable, we must proclaim [God] distinct from the world in existence and essence . . .ineffably exalted above all things that exist or can be conceived apart from [God]. " ** All contrary positions are explicitly anathematized. **
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Wesley7 said:
  1. I don’t have any questions.
  2. the book Catholicism.
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Catholicism By Richard P. McBrien, 1994, HarperOne, ISBN 0060654058.

The quote is from page 311.

The Bishops in the 1980 in US and AU did not like this book because of it’s inaccuracies.

Read here for Vatican I: Chapter 1 On God the creator of all things, which is the source used in the book by McBrien.

intratext.com/x/eng0063.htm

The holy, catholic, apostolic and Roman church believes and acknowledges that there is one true and living God, creator and lord of heaven and earth, almighty, eternal, immeasurable, incomprehensible, infinite in will, understanding and every perfection. Since he is one, singular, completely simple and unchangeable spiritual substance, he must be declared to be in reality and in essence, distinct from the world, supremely happy in himself and from himself, and inexpressibly loftier than anything besides himself which either exists or can be imagined. This one true God, by his goodness and almighty power, not with the intention of increasing his happiness, nor indeed of obtaining happiness, but in order to manifest his perfection by the good things which he bestows on what he creates, by an absolutely free plan, together from the beginning of time brought into being from nothing the twofold created order, that is the spiritual and the bodily, the angelic and the earthly, and thereafter the human which is, in a way, common to both since it is composed of spirit and body [10]. Everything that God has brought into being he protects and governs by his providence, which reaches from one end of the earth to the other and orders all things well [11] . All things are open and laid bare to his eyes [12] , even those which will be brought about by the free activity of creatures.

[10] See Lateran council IV, const. 1 (see above, p. 230).
[11] Wis 8, 1.
[12] Heb 4, 13.

The Canons that follow later contain the anathemas.
 
Yes, an atheist, polytheist, pantheist, or idolator, etc. would be cut off from the Church–that’s what it means when the contrary position is anathemitized.
 
rosary_kat said:
Don’t think you’ll get any arguments here. 🤷
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Personally, I really expected someone to completely flip out over the quotation’s being from Richard McBrien and launch into an unrelated commentary about how horrible they think he is, but apparently not. Come on you guys, do I really have to be the one to do this for everyone:

 
MarkThompson said:
Personally, I really expected someone to completely flip out over the quotation’s being from Richard McBrien and launch into an unrelated commentary about how horrible they think he is, but apparently not. Come on you guys, do I really have to be the one to do this for everyone:
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From post #5 “The Bishops in the 1980 in US and AU did not like this book because of it’s inaccuracies.”
 
MarkThompson said:
Personally, I really expected someone to completely flip out over the quotation’s being from Richard McBrien and launch into an unrelated commentary about how horrible they think he is, but apparently not. Come on you guys, do I really have to be the one to do this for everyone
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Sorry, Mark, guess I just don’t know who he is. Or care. :crying: :dancing:
 
Vico said:
From post #5 “The Bishops in the 1980 in US and AU did not like this book because of it’s inaccuracies.”
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Perhaps this quote is one such inaccuracy. I can not find it in the source document.
 
Vico said:
See post #5, it is on page 311.
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It is on page 311 of thebook. However, it seems the book McBrien wrote made up this quote. I can not find it in* Dei Filius,* or any Vatican I document. Thus, the book would be inaccurate. That was the issue I was speculating on.
 
pnewton said:
It is on page 311 of the book. However, it seems the book McBrien wrote made up this quote. I can not find it in* Dei Filius,* or any Vatican I document. Thus, the book would be inaccurate. That was the issue I was speculating on.
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It is likely that he took a different translation from the Latin. Here is what he used, from Vatican I, Chapter 1 On God the creator of all things between the ***.

The holy, catholic, apostolic and Roman church believes and acknowledges that *** there is one true and living God, creator and lord of heaven and earth, almighty, eternal, immeasurable, incomprehensible, infinite in will, understanding and every perfection. Since he is one, singular, completely simple and unchangeable spiritual substance, he must be declared to be in reality and in essence, distinct from the world, *** supremely happy in himself and from himself, and *** inexpressibly loftier than anything besides himself which either exists or can be imagined. *** This one true God, by his goodness and almighty power, not with the intention of increasing his happiness, nor indeed of obtaining happiness, but in order to manifest his perfection by the good things which he bestows on what he creates, by an absolutely free plan, together from the beginning of time brought into being from nothing the twofold created order, that is the spiritual and the bodily, the angelic and the earthly, and thereafter the human which is, in a way, common to both since it is composed of spirit and body [10]. Everything that God has brought into being he protects and governs by his providence, which reaches from one end of the earth to the other and orders all things well [11] . All things are open and laid bare to his eyes [12] , even those which will be brought about by the free activity of creatures.
 
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