Quote on silence

[aball1035]

I heard a quote of some saint on how silence of the ill done is destroying the world. I believe it was something like “Do not be silent. The world is ruined by silence”. Or something like that. Anyone know this quote?

 

[acadiANNA]

“One night in a vision the Lord said to Paul, “Do not be afraid. Go on speaking, and do not be silent, for I am with you. No one will attack and harm you, for I have many people in this city.” He settled there for a year and a half and taught the word of God among them.”
Acts18: 9-11 When I find the quote from the Saint regarding being silent in times when we should speak out, I will post it. God bless.

 

[Biggie]

“It is no small matter to stand silent at the time of trial” - Our Lord’s words to Thomas A’Kempis, reflecting on His own silence during imprisonment. Is our constant need to speak and be heard a denial of the power of God? Maybe.

 

[Shin]

‘We’ve had enough of exhortations to be silent! Cry out with a hundred thousand tongues. I see that the world is rotten because of silence.’

St. Catherine of Siena

Inspirational Quotes from the Saints

 

[Kevin12]

‘We’ve had enough of exhortations to be silent! Cry out with a hundred thousand tongues. I see that the world is rotten because of silence.’

St. Catherine of Siena

Inspirational Quotes from the Saints

While this particular quote has nothing wrong with it, I would strongly caution people against this particular site. As some people in other threads have pointed out, it does not provide links to its sources and often takes quotes out of context in list form to back up the creator’s ultra-Traditionalist opinions.

 

[Shin]

These accusations are not true.

I have heard some people with an agenda bad mouthing websites that disagree with their agenda, but this is not the virtuous path to take.

I can say that the quotes are all provided carefully of context, and the quotations are carefully checked regarding sources. If the sources are not directly provided in some cases they can often easily be found by those truly interested in finding them.

People who make such accusations should think about the morality making them more carefully, and prayerfully. And I hope and pray they do in the future. And if they have any questions have contacted the volunteers and helpers at the website and discussed the matters like Christians.

You should also not use such labels like ‘ultra-Traditionalist’ generally or so quickly, its a matter of courtesy amongst other things.

 

[pollycarp]

These accusations are not true.

I have heard some people with an agenda bad mouthing websites that disagree with their agenda, but this is not the virtuous path to take.

I can say that the quotes are all provided carefully of context, and the quotations are carefully checked regarding sources. If the sources are not directly provided in some cases they can often easily be found by those truly interested in finding them.

People who make such accusations should think about the morality making them more carefully, and prayerfully. And I hope and pray they do in the future. And if they have any questions have contacted the volunteers and helpers at the website and discussed the matters like Christians.

You should also not use such labels like ‘ultra-Traditionalist’ generally or so quickly, its a matter of courtesy amongst other things.

I always used to check this website for a very inspirational, edifying Catholic saints’ quote before I began my work day and I learned about many saints I had never heard of before. I highly recommend it.

 

[mcrts]

Saint Catherine of Siena. Her feast day, coincidentally (or not? ) is on April 29.

 

[Kevin12]

I always used to check this website for a very inspirational, edifying Catholic saints’ quote before I began my work day and I learned about many saints I had never heard of before. I highly recommend it.

If you are only going to use the random quotes, then I see nothing that might be objectionable. However, if you venture further into his site, I would strongly recommend you examine his post history to understand his views and judge for yourself.

I will also say that I do not make these acusations lightly, and were indeed made after consideration and prayer. If I am not to be believed then I simply say again, read what this person has said and decide for yourself whether there is reason or not to be concerned about his website.

 

[MidnightSun12]

These accusations are not true.

I have heard some people with an agenda bad mouthing websites that disagree with their agenda, but this is not the virtuous path to take.

I can say that the quotes are all provided carefully of context, and the quotations are carefully checked regarding sources. If the sources are not directly provided in some cases they can often easily be found by those truly interested in finding them.

People who make such accusations should think about the morality making them more carefully, and prayerfully. And I hope and pray they do in the future. And if they have any questions have contacted the volunteers and helpers at the website and discussed the matters like Christians.

You should also not use such labels like ‘ultra-Traditionalist’ generally or so quickly, its a matter of courtesy amongst other things.

This website has helped me tremendously and I also highly recommend it. The beauty about reading quotes and writings from the Saints is that the source has already been authenticated… Infallibly by the cannonization of the Catholic Church! In a lot of ways, this site is actually a much more reliable source then the experimental opinions of many modern apologists who often go against the words of the Saints on views such as the necessity of being rigid in one’s faith and the fewness of those that will be saved.

I have not read anything on this website that would do anything except challenge a person to be a better Catholic.

 

[Shin]

I always used to check this website for a very inspirational, edifying Catholic saints’ quote before I began my work day and I learned about many saints I had never heard of before. I highly recommend it.

This website has helped me tremendously and I also highly recommend it. The beauty about reading quotes and writings from the Saints is that the source has already been authenticated… Infallibly by the cannonization of the Catholic Church! In a lot of ways, this site is actually a much more reliable source then the experimental opinions of many modern apologists who often go against the words of the Saints on views such as the necessity of being rigid in one’s faith and the fewness of those that will be saved.

I have not read anything on this website that would do anything except challenge a person to be a better Catholic.

Good to hear. Deo gratias!

 

[Kevin12]

This website has helped me tremendously and I also highly recommend it. The beauty about reading quotes and writings from the Saints is that the source has already been authenticated… Infallibly by the cannonization of the Catholic Church! In a lot of ways, this site is actually a much more reliable source then the experimental opinions of many modern apologists who often go against the words of the Saints on views such as the necessity of being rigid in one’s faith and the fewness of those that will be saved.

I have not read anything on this website that would do anything except challenge a person to be a better Catholic.

I would have you know that it is quite possible to interpret the saints and the Fathers in a way that leads to error, as did the Jansenists. Furthermore, the words of the saints, while certainly of value, are not of themselves Church doctrine - and particularly when quotations are taken out of context (and this is what quotation is by its very nature) and placed in a list next to each other, it is not difficult to suggest a point that the works the quotes came from did not suggest.

 

[MidnightSun12]

I would have you know that it is quite possible to interpret the saints and the Fathers in a way that leads to error, as did the Jansenists.

I’m curious to know what error you think is being suggested or propagated on this website? Was it the quotes on modesty, purity, self-mortification, charity for the poor?

You even said in your last post that there was nothing objectionable with the random quote feature and I would agree with that assessment. As for the rest of the content on this website, well there are enormous libraries of books and pamphlets by the Saints that provide great insight into their lives and their contribution to the Church’s teachings (and it’s the very nature of a book and/or pamplet to provide the full context of what is being said, so I fail to see how this is a venue for indoctrination by the site’s creators, either). Actually, the sheer wealth and breadth of information available on this site puts it in the category of a “library” which is diametrically opposed to the whole idea of thought control which relies on controlling the message.

Actually, far from stopping the propagation of a heresy, it’s more likely that a reason to oppose this site is because somebody finds it threatening to the popular heresies of the day (particularly, modernism and liberalism). This makes sense because there are numerous Saints that speak with a great clarity and consistency on subjects that supplement scripture and this makes the truth very difficult to pollute (which is what all heresies rely on).

 

[Kevin12]

I’m curious to know what error you think is being suggested or propagated on this website? Was it the quotes on modesty, purity, self-mortification, charity for the poor?

You even said in your last post that there was nothing objectionable with the random quote feature and I would agree with that assessment. As for the rest of the content on this website, well there are enormous libraries of books and pamphlets by the Saints that provide great insight into their lives and their contribution to the Church’s teachings (and it’s the very nature of a book and/or pamplet to provide the full context of what is being said, so I fail to see how this is a venue for indoctrination by the site’s creators, either). Actually, the sheer wealth and breadth of information available on this site puts it in the category of a “library” which is diametrically opposed to the whole idea of thought control which relies on controlling the message.

Actually, far from stopping the propagation of a heresy, it’s more likely that a reason to oppose this site is because somebody finds it threatening to the popular heresies of the day (particularly, modernism and liberalism). This makes sense because there are numerous Saints that speak with a great clarity and consistency on subjects that supplement scripture and this makes the truth very difficult to pollute (which is what all heresies rely on).

Looking on his Selections page, you will find his quotes on Limbo. If one takes the time to examine his views on Limbo and its status as doctrinal teaching, one will find a statement wherein he dismisses the validity of Canon 1261 (which is part of the law, not a mere footnote, as is shown here).

As for “the heresies of the day”, if you can give me something specific I might be able to comment on that - as far as I am aware, the Church rebukes those in manifest schism, as She did with former archbishop Lefebvre. However, if you consider, for example, receiving communion in the hand instead of on the tongue a heresy, or something to that effect, then we really have nothing further to discuss.

 

[MidnightSun12]

Looking on his Selections page, you will find his quotes on Limbo. If one takes the time to examine his views on Limbo and its status as doctrinal teaching, one will find a statement wherein he dismisses the validity of Canon 1261 (which is part of the law, not a mere footnote, as is shown here).

As for “the heresies of the day”, if you can give me something specific I might be able to comment on that - as far as I am aware, the Church rebukes those in manifest schism, as She did with former archbishop Lefebvre. However, if you consider, for example, receiving communion in the hand instead of on the tongue a heresy, or something to that effect, then we really have nothing further to discuss.

I don’t think there’s anything wrong with having a web-page dedicated to the various views of past Saints on the concept of Limbo. As for Shin’s personal posts on CAF, with respect, I don’t think that belongs in this discussion.

 

[Kevin12]

I don’t think there’s anything wrong with having a web-page dedicated to the various views of past Saints on the concept of Limbo. As for Shin’s personal posts on CAF, with respect, I don’t think that belongs in this discussion.

I think you may be right, I should have saved these objections for a post more directly related to the topic, so for that I apologize.

 

[Shin]

wherein he dismisses the validity of Canon 1261

Your links show this accusation to be false. That’s not a canon of canon law you linked to there, neither is it being dismissed.

 

[Shin]

The quotes on the websites are submissions from people from all around the world, and there are a number of volunteers and helpers.

The websites are not the product of any one person, and they exist to let the saints’ speak for themselves without any preferences of the people involved, that’s the furthest thing from the mission. It’s not about the people there at all, they don’t want to be thought of save in prayers, it’s about the saints untouched and following the saints whereever they lead, recognizing how far from them folks are, and not complaining about this, or attacking the saints for this, but instead to wish to follow that far off goal while recognizing one’s own failings.

Everyone is encouraged to submit quotations to the website and pray and help.

 

[Kevin12]

Your links show this accusation to be false. That’s not a canon of canon law you linked to there, neither is it being dismissed.

I will quote the poster on that article:

You don’t need to ask forgiveness, dialogue is what the forum is about.

Two points. First, while the Theological Commission has no magisterial authority, this particular study was approved for publication by Pope Benedict XVI.

This present text was approved in forma specifica by the members of the Commission, and was subsequently submitted to its President, Cardinal William Levada who, upon receiving the approval of the Holy father in an audience granted on January 19, 2007, approved the text for publication.

Second, Section 1261 of the Catechism is taken verbatim from the Theological Commission document, which is why it is referenced:

• 1261 As regards children who have died without Baptism, the Church can only entrust them to the mercy of God, as she does in her funeral rites for them. Indeed, the great mercy of God who desires that all men should be saved, and Jesus’ tenderness toward children which caused him to say: “Let the children come to me, do not hinder them,” allow us to hope that there is a way of salvation for children who have died without Baptism. All the more urgent is the Church’s call not to prevent little children coming to Christ through the gift of holy Baptism.*

I don’t recall any article from the Jesuit Magazine, The Reporter or the Register that is included as a section of the Catechism.

As to Limbo, yes it is referenced in former Catechisms however the Theological Institute study spoke to that as well:

• 1. The idea of Limbo, which the Church has used for many centuries to designate the destiny of infants who die without Baptism, has no clear foundation in revelation, even though it has long been used in traditional theological teaching. Moreover, the notion that infants who die without Baptism are deprived of the beatific vision, which has for so long been regarded as the common doctrine of the Church, gives rise to numerous pastoral problems, so much so that many pastors of souls have asked for a deeper reflection on the ways of salvation. The necessary reconsideration of the theological issues cannot ignore the tragic consequences of original sin. Original sin implies a state of separation from Christ, and that excludes the possibility of the vision of God for those who die in that state.

The Catechism clearly states that we do not know for certain the fate of the unbaptized infants. Where they go (a state of being called Limbo or the beatific vision) is a matter we can debate over a beer but will never know for sure until we ask God.

I probably spoke incorrectly to call 1261 a canon, but it is a part of the Catechism equal to any other in said Catechism and not a mere footnote. And anyone who reads Shin’s posts will find that he by all means does dismiss the possibility that unbaptized infants could be saved.

However, as I have said before, this post about St. Catherine should not be troubled by this, and it was my mistake to have addressed the issue here.

 

[Kevin12]

The quotes on the websites are submissions from people from all around the world, and there are a number of volunteers and helpers.

The websites are not the product of any one person, and they exist to let the saints’ speak for themselves without any preferences of the people involved, that’s the furthest thing from the mission. It’s not about the people there at all, they don’t want to be thought of save in prayers, it’s about the saints untouched and following the saints whereever they lead, recognizing how far from them folks are, and not complaining about this, or attacking the saints for this, but instead to wish to follow that far off goal while recognizing one’s own failings.

Everyone is encouraged to submit quotations to the website and pray and help.

Also, I strongly dispute that I am attacking the saints, but cautioning people against those who would use isolated quotations from the saints and Fathers to attack the post-councilar Church.