Qu'ram Science Miracles

[Delta2]

It is clear and obvious that Muhammad had the same thoughts as the common knowledge of that old times

And that is the Earth was flat

And the earth have We spread out, and placed therein firm hills, and caused each seemly thing to grow therein…(Sura Al-Hijr 15:19)

Who hath appointed the earth as a bed and hath threaded roads for you therein and hath sent down water from the sky and thereby We have brought forth divers kinds of vegetation,…(Sura Ta Ha 20:53)

Who made the earth a resting-place for you, and placed roads for you therein, that haply ye may find your way;…(Sura Az-Zukhruf 43:10)

And the earth have We spread out, and have flung firm hills therein, and have caused of every lovely kind to grow thereon, …(Sura Qaf 50:7)

And Allah hath made the earth a wide expanse for you…(Sura Nooh 71:19)

In one sura Qur’an says that one of the righteous men of God’s servants saw the Sun setting in a certain place of the Earth-in particular a well full of water and mud. There, this man found some people. Let us read what is recorded in the Qur’an (chapter “the Cave”, verse 86):

Till, when he reached the setting-place of the sun, he found it setting in a muddy spring, and found a people thereabout. We said: O Dhu’l-Qarneyn! Either punish or show them kindness (Sura Al-Kahf 018.086).

Again in another verse of the same sura it is said -

Till, when he reached the rising-place of the sun, he found it rising on a people for whom We had appointed no shelter therefrom (Sura Al-Kahf 018.090).

I wonder how that man reached the rising-place

Where the hell is that ? China ?

 

[MugenOne]

Directly from the Middle Ages

memritv.org/clip/en/1684.htm

Quote:

“Iraqi Researcher Defies Scientific Axioms: The Earth Is Flat and Much Larger than the Sun.”

If the Earth is flat, what are the dimensions of the Earth? Is Mecca perfectly centered to all corners of the Earth? I need a new map because Google’s map is inaccurate.

 

[LaMar]

It is clear and obvious that Muhammad had the same thoughts as the common knowledge of that old times

And that is the Earth was flat

There are bible passages to the effect that the earth is a flat square, held up at 4 corners by 4 pillars. That there’s an ocean surrounding the earth. etc. etc., ad infinitum.

I think it’s inherently fallacious to attempt to prove or disprove a spiritual truth on how it measures up to the physical universe. Other skeptics like to do that, and while I might agree with them on the chances that there’s a God out there someplace, I think they make a fundamental mistake in such comparisons.

Qur’an, like the Jewish and Christian scriptures, is great literature and part of the foundation of modern, western society; but it isn’t a physics or geography textbook. There’s no evidence it was ever meant to be.

 

[hamba2han]

Although it contains numerous scientific facts which modern science has only recently discovered, the Qur’an cannot be considered to be a book of science but rather it is in fact a ‘Book of Signs’.

Anyone who wishes to examine some of these Signs, kindly go to this post.

 

[AgnosTheist]

Although it contains numerous scientific facts which modern science has only recently discovered

Stop that stupid propaganda. It only makes look ignorant.

 

[MugenOne]

What bible passages are you talking about?

The most famous of the Bible verses supporting a round or spherical earth is Isaiah 40:22 where it says of God that:
It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in…

Isaiah 40:22 is not the only verse in the Bible which speaks of the circle as descriptive of the shape of the earth. Proverbs 8:27 reads:
When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth…

Acts 1:8, Jesus gives His commission to His disciples to be witnesses “unto the uttermost part of the earth.”

Notice “uttermost part” is singular. If the Earth is flat, then it would be “uttermost parts.”

 

[AgnosTheist]

I think it’s inherently fallacious to attempt to prove or disprove a spiritual truth on how it measures up to the physical universe.

You should read the quran and see for yourself how some of its verses deal with physical matters instead of spiritual matters.

Look, its muslims themselves who promote the idea of “scientific miracles”. And you complain if non-believers play by their rules?

 

[LaMar]

Hi Hamba2han,

Although it contains numerous scientific facts which modern science has only recently discovered, the Qur’an cannot be considered to be a book of science but rather it is in fact a ‘Book of Signs’.

Anyone who wishes to examine some of these Signs, kindly go to this post.

I’ve read many of those. I agree it’s interesting to deconstruct Qur’an. I have the Rodwell translation, and I have enjoyed exploring it.

I have a related question for you. As a Muslim, what would your reaction be if some piece of scientific evidence directly contradicted one of the supplemental messages of Qur’an. Would you allow it to shake your faith, would you consciously choose one or the other, or would you reconcile the two?

LaMar

 

[Delta2]

Although it contains numerous scientific facts which modern science has only recently discovered, the Qur’an cannot be considered to be a book of science but rather it is in fact a ‘Book of Signs’.

Anyone who wishes to examine some of these Signs, kindly go to this post.

All of them can be easily destroyed

Some of them are just clever reinterpretations of the Quran

This weekend I was discussing about Egipt Pharaoh at the time of moses, and the claim that the body was preserved as the mummy

Here the verse :

“This day shall We save you in your body, that you may be a Sign to those who come after you! But verily, many among mankind are neglectful of Our Signs” (Quran 10:92)

YOU IN YOUR BODY is the arabic translation of :

bi-badani-ka

a word by word translation means :

bi = in
badani = body
ka = your

The problem is that BADANI can mean BODY as well as old deer and SHIELD

The correct translation should be :

This day shall We project you with your shield on a bulge in order that you may be a sign to those who come after you

Pharaho was drowned as like all his army, with horses and shields

As the term :

“farasi wa badani” means “my horse and my shield”

It is interesting to read a Quran preface :

Occasionaly, an Arabic word can express not only several related meanings but one of two opposite meanings…

Arabic is tricky when translated to english, as like the all quran

They just reinterpret giving a fictitious image to be the God word

 

[AgnosTheist]

All of them can be easily destroyed

I was able to destroy all but one. and for me, “one” is just a lucky shot.

 

[Zlatan]

Muslims believe proof of the Koran’s divine origins lie in Mohammed’s scientific knowledge. Supposedly Mohammed recieved this divine knowledge which is recorded in the koran and thus this offers conclusive proof of Mohammed being a prophet of god. This idea was popularised by Dr Naik but it is laregly untrue. There is nothing divine about Mohammeds observations. The Koran and the Hadiths are full of scientific errors and misconceptions and the muslim attempt to prove islam in this way absurd.

The Koran:

*Sperm is produced between the ribs and the backbone according to mohammed

086.005
YUSUFALI: Now let man but think from what he is created!
086.006
YUSUFALI: He is created from a drop emitted-
086.007
YUSUFALI: Proceeding from between the backbone and the ribs:

*The sun sets in a lake
18.086
YUSUFALI: Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it set in a spring of murky water:

• Earth spread out flat like a carpet?

015.019
YUSUFALI: And the earth We have spread out (like a carpet); set thereon mountains firm and immovable; and produced therein all kinds of things in due balance.

*Mountains prevent earthquakes?

According to Mohammed mountains were created by Allah to prevent earthquakes. This is a sceintific error as mountians are produced by techtonic plates pushing agianst one another over thousands of years which is also what causes earthquakes. So the earth as the koran presents it is more or less flat with mountains as glorified paperweights?

021.031
YUSUFALI: And We have set on the earth mountains standing firm, lest it should shake with them, and We have made therein broad highways (between mountains) for them to pass through: that they may receive Guidance.

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YUSUFALI: Have We not made the earth as a wide expanse,
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YUSUFALI: And the mountains as pegs?

016.015
YUSUFALI: And He has set up on the earth mountains standing firm, lest it should shake with you; and rivers and roads; that ye may guide yourselves

079.032
YUSUFALI: And the mountains hath He firmly fixed;-

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YUSUFALI: He created the heavens without any pillars that ye can see; He set on the earth mountains standing firm, lest it should shake with you; and He scattered through it beasts of all kinds

Mohammed explains natural phenomonon through the divine

*Thunder is a result of angels praising god?
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YUSUFALI: Nay, thunder repeateth His praises, and so do the angels, with awe: He flingeth the loud-voiced thunder-bolts, and therewith He striketh whomsoever He will…yet these (are the men) who (dare to) dispute about Allah, with the strength of His power (supreme)!

*Shooting stars used to ward off jinns (fire deamons)?
072.008
PICKTHAL: And (the Jinn who had listened to the Qur’an said): We had sought the heaven but had found it filled with strong warders and meteors

• stars are lamps used to keep the jinns away?
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  YUSUFALI: And we have, (from of old), adorned the lowest heaven with Lamps, and We have made such (Lamps) (as) missiles to drive away the Evil Ones, and have prepared for them the Penalty of the Blazing Fire.

The Hadith:

The Hadiths are the sayings of the prophet
In the canonical Hadiths of Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim , Mohammed expresses more scientific errors and absurdities further eroding the muslim claim.

Non muslims have 7 intestines?

Sahih Muslim Book 023, Number 5113:
Ibn 'Umar reported Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying that a non-Muslim eats in seven intestines whereas a Muslim eats in one intestine.

Book 023, Number 5118:
Abu Musa reported Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: A believer eats in one intestine, whereas a non-believer eats in seven intestines

Book 023, Number 5120:
Abu Huraira
…A believer drinks In one intestine whereas a non-believer drinks in seven intestines.

• According to Mohammed a child resembles the parent who 1st climaxed during its conception and has nothing to do with DNA?

Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 55, Number 546:
Narrated Anas:
…As for the resemblance of the child to its parents: If a man has sexual intercourse with his wife and gets discharge first, the child will resemble the father, and if the woman gets discharge first, the child will resemble her

*fevers are caused by hellfire?
Bukhari Volume 4, Book 54, Number 484:
Narrated Rafi bin Khadij:
I heard the Prophet saying, “Fever is from the heat of the (Hell) Fire; so cool it with water.”

*Yawnining is from satan?

Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Prophet said, “Yawning is from Satan and if anyone of you yawns, he should check his yawning as much as possible, for if anyone of you (during the act of yawning) should say: ‘Ha’, Satan will laugh at him.”

The miraculous wings of a fly

Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 54, Number 537:
Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Prophet said “If a house fly falls in the drink of anyone of you, he should dip it (in the drink), for one of its wings has a disease and the other has the cure for the disease.”

Meat decays because of jews?

Volume 4, Book 55, Number 547:
Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Prophet said, "But for the Israelis, meat would not decay and but for Eve, wives would never betray their husbands

To conclude there is no reason to believe in islam based solely on the premise of these scientific claims

for more info
answering-islam.org/BehindVeil/btv6.html#CH6
answering-islam.org/Responses/It-is-truth/
faithfreedom.org/Articles/sina40712.htm
faithfreedom.org/Articles/bigbang50221.htm

 

[Sister_Amy]

It is an old game to try to interpret the Qur’an to make it sound silly. I don’t think anyone will be fooled… except the fools.

 

[Delta2]

It is an old game to try to interpret the Qur’an to make it sound silly. I don’t think anyone will be fooled… except the fools.

Hohh…there is so much, but so much foolish things in the quran…that you can’t imagine

I wonder if you have read all the violence and hate of media suras

I wonder if you know why muslim claims that the bible or torah was corrupted

I had a long, long discussions in a strict and conservationist muslim forum

imanway.com/en/

Muslim - non-muslim dialogue section

Of course I’m limited, several time I got a banning warning, my messages are deleted or moderated, and I was already temporarily banned once

But even so, there is some good discussions with a high knowledge muslim with me

I think that is a good forum for you

 

[Sister_Amy]

Hohh…there is so much, but so much foolish things in the quran…that you can’t imagine

I wonder if you have read all the violence and hate of media suras

I wonder if you know why muslim claims that the bible or torah was corrupted

I had a long, long discussions in a strict and conservationist muslim forum

imanway.com/en/

Muslim - non-muslim dialogue section

Of course I’m limited, several time I got a banning warning, my messages are deleted or moderated, and I was already temporarily banned once

But even so, there is some good discussions with a high knowledge muslim with me

I think that is a good forum for you

I have read the entire Qur’an, and I read certain parts of it regularly, so I doubt that you’ll be able to surprise me with something in it I didn’t know about. I’ll check out that forum though, thanks.

 

[Delta2]

I have read the entire Qur’an, and I read certain parts of it regularly, so I doubt that you’ll be able to surprise me with something in it I didn’t know about. I’ll check out that forum though, thanks.

yes, that’s a conservative muslim forum, where people as me - Catholic by all means, till the end of my life - are somehow moderated, a lot

Your quran and your Gos ia so much limited that it can even give an answer to this tricky question :

Can God create a stone so heavy even He can’t lift ?

take your quran and limit your God

my catholic answer is that : He already did

 

[Sister_Amy]

yes, that’s a conservative muslim forum, where people as me - Catholic by all means, till the end of my life - are somehow moderated, a lot

So why do you post there? Frankly if everyone’s voice is moderated there’s not much point. On the other hand… some people are so offensive they need moderation.

Your quran and your Gos ia so much limited that it can even give an answer to this tricky question :

Can God create a stone so heavy even He can’t lift ?

This is an atheist’s question. Islam has an answer, and it doesn’t limit God.

take your quran and limit your God

my catholic answer is that : He already did

That’s nice, if you believe in a flawed God. Not my problem.

 

[Delta2]

So why do you post there? Frankly if everyone’s voice is moderated there’s not much point. On the other hand… some people are so offensive they need moderation.

I’m not being offensive in there, they just don’t allow me to quote anything from the qu’ran, and also they don’t allow me to share my knowledge about the Islam dark behaviors and history

I’m posting in there because all Catholics must share his truth, even if that means death

all apostles were slaughtered to death

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This is an atheist’s question. Islam has an answer, and it doesn’t limit God.​

Has it ? give it to me then, if God is so much powerful…why can’t He simple engender God ? i.e., Jesus as hypostatic union as God and Human ?

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That’s nice, if you believe in a flawed God. Not my problem. ​

No, I just, and I Catholics in here, the true ones, believes that nothing…and I mean literally nothing…nothing at all

is impossible to Almighty God

It is you, muslims, those who profane and limit your God - a Human God by all means…so limited and terrain

 

[hamba2han]

Hi Hamba2han,

I’ve read many of those. I agree it’s interesting to deconstruct Qur’an. I have the Rodwell translation, and I have enjoyed exploring it.

I have a related question for you. As a Muslim, what would your reaction be if some piece of scientific evidence directly contradicted one of the supplemental messages of Qur’an. Would you allow it to shake your faith, would you consciously choose one or the other, or would you reconcile the two?

LaMar

The challenge to disprove the Qur’an as the verbatim Speech of God by finding a discrepancy within it has been around for 1,400 years and so far, this challenge has still not been met.

Since the Qur’an is the heart and soul of Islam, anything which destroys the truth of the Qur’an will also destroy Islam.

And so, it is not a question at all of me “allowing it to shake my faith” if there emerges scientific evidence which unequivocally disproves the Qur’an.

What would be the point in me continuing to follow a faith which I do not believe offers the promise of salvation by the Creator Himself?

If Islam is proven wrong, then my outlook of life would then be → Live and let live, everything else in this world be damned!

 

[Sister_Amy]

No, I just, and I Catholics in here, the true ones, believes that nothing…and I mean literally nothing…nothing at all

is impossible to Almighty God

It is you, muslims, those who profane and limit your God - a Human God by all means…so limited and terrain

Well, according to your understanding (I think), God can’t even lift a rock. Is God All-powerful if He can’t lift a rock?

Muslims don’t limit God… and a good (Muslim) friend of mine recently taught me a lesson, to never say “God can’t,” because how can we put limits on God? We can’t limit Him or His Power.

So the answer to the question is that God does what God wills. And for something to be impossible for God is contradictory to the nature of God–either creating such a rock, or not being able to lift it. Moreover, Muslims believe that God is not a part of the creation, but that He exists outside of it, sustaining it. He affects the creation, controls it–not the other way around.

 

[IvanKaramozov]

Right,

This is just to damn ironic, I’m sorry, but it is.

The Bible renound scientific accuracy of course says that the Earth is only a few thousand years old, that God created light to shine on the earth before the Sun, that the Sun revolves around the Earth, makes absolutly no mention of any creatures an individual of the time would not have knoledge of such as dinosaurs.

Now, I would never criticize the Bible in this respect as,

“Scripture tells us how to get to heaven, not how the heavens go”

However this is utter hypocracy, the Bible clearly and undisputeably beleives the Sun revolves around the Earth as God is said to have stoped the Sun to prolonge the daylight.