Rabbi: Meat from cloned pig could be kosher for Jews to eat – with milk

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Interestingly enough, if the Sanhedrin (yes, they are back) rules that lab-grown meat is meat, it’s likely that no mammal-derived lab-grown meat would be kosher, at least not for non-Aaronites, because it would circumvent the slaughter ritual and priestly portions.
 
It’s not from a live pig, and part of the prohibition is because eating meat is always a moral compromise, because it’s taking the life of an animal. Part of the kosher laws include how the animal is slaughtered. Those two factors are not present. Still, this seems like something that will take much debate before there’s consensous. I don’t know what I would do if I were Jewish. Probably still not eat the pork, but I can’t say for sure.
 
But the ritualistic slaughter is intended to minimize the suffering of the animal, to treat the animal with respect and thanks. Test tube meat eliminates that as a concern…
 
Yes, but the rite includes the presentation of the right front leg, shoulder and maw of the animal to a Kohen. You can’t do that with lab-grown meat. Judaism also interprets the commandment against consuming meat with blood in it to include a prohibition on eating the meat of a still-living animal, so if the lab-grown meat is considered part of the animal that provided the stem cells, it would run afoul of this prohibition.
 
All good points, and why different rabbis will come to different conclusions. You know, 2 Jews 3 opinions.
 
I am vegetarian. Such a ‘ruling’ would not apply to me, nor, thank God, does the question of whether I can eat cloned pig on Friday.
 
I do not think lab-grown meat would be permissible on abstinence days as the point of abstinence days is to sacrifice (give up) meat as a form of penance.

If a person eats lab-grown meat then it won’t really be a sacrifice.
 
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All good points, and why different rabbis will come to different conclusions. You know, 2 Jews 3 opinions.
As they say . . . when three Baptists are gathered in His Name, four denominations are present.

(One day, a Methodist covered my Protestant Theology class at my Catholic university taught by a Baptist professor, so he made sure we knew 🙂 )

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I wouldn’t do it.

I’m totally against cloning. But from what I’ve heard about it, the cloned animal (doesn’t matter what kind it is) is just like the original. So if the original isn’t kosher, neither is the cloned version.
Do you apply your opposition to cloning also to plants?
The subject is meat from cloned animals. I see no relation of your comment to cloned animals. I also stated that I’m totally against cloning. That means anything that can be cloned.
 
Lab grown meat is still meat since the animal it came from would be the clone of the animal it originated from.
 
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And where does that “cloned and lab grown meat” come from?
presumably, from vats.

A closer of cells in a growth medium. Once started, sections are removed and it continues growing.

hawk
And where did the stem cells come from? They came from the original pig which was used to make the cloned pig from which the alleged lab grown meat came from. Doesn’t matter if sections are removed and continue growing on their own. When you get down to it, they all originate from the same source.
 
They take a sample of stem cells from livestock and use it to grow muscle tissue in a laboratory. It’s a highly efficient process since the stem cells only produce stem cells and muscle cells, and there’s no need to support a whole animal.
I know that. The point I was trying to get across is that they all originate from the same source. The stem cells have a source. You can’t take stem cells out of thin air and lab grow meat. The lab grown meat still originates from livestock. Stem cells from a cloned animal still have their origins in the original animal because the cloned animal is a carbon copy of that animal.
 
And where did the stem cells come from? They came from the original pig which was used to make the cloned pig
Certainly.

I’m just addressing the mechanics.

And that could well address whether for one religious group or another the result is “meat.”

hawk
 
The subject is meat from cloned animals. I see no relation of your comment to cloned animals. I also stated that I’m totally against cloning. That means anything that can be cloned
You know that cloning a plant is growing one from a cutting? And that some plants do this naturally by sending out runners? And that some animals clone themselves? And that human identical twins are clones?
 
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And that human identical twins are clones?
Don’t you even think about devouring my daughters! 😱

🤣

hawk

(three children or four, we contemplated. And I told her, no more daughters until we have a boy to hold a third shotgun. So #3 and #4 at the same time . . . If you want to hear God laugh . . .)
 
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I typically have a tough stomach, but this thread is ruining both my appetite and my love of bacon.

Although I agree that bacon may indeed bring you closer to God. 🤣🤣🤣

@dochawk…that is the funniest thing I think I’ve ever heard. I laughed way too hard at that one. (The Baptist church and my Methodist church were right across the street from each other. That’s a riot.)
 
Many here are missing the point because it seems there is a little lack of education both in bioengineering and Judaism on behalf of those commenting.

I am both Jewish and a forensic scientist. The meat that the rabbi is speaking of is synthetic. It is not pork in any way, shape or form.

While it is cultured from stem cells and myoblasts and myosatellite cells of meat, they are not the original meat any longer.

It is much like the medications we often use that are based on natural substances but are synthisized instead, such as carbidopa and levodopa are synthesized for Parkinson’s patients. They need the real things, but the synthetic versions are better, far purer, and cheaper to produce. They work better than the natural substances since you can control the potency of the carbidopa and levodopa in the synthetic versions. But there is no real carbidopa or levodopa in the pills at all.

The same is true of the synthetic meat. It is made in the same way. The result is a meat that is pure, non-pork, not really meat at all. Therefore it qualifies as parve, or neutral when it comes to kosher certification. This means it can be eaten with milk as it is synthetic. The cells were taken from a dead pig, but they were only stem cells or myoblasts or muscular cells that do not differ from other types of edible meat tissue from other animals on the cellular level.

On the microbiological scale these cells are not different from beef and can even be synthesized to be beef-like of even something like chicken or fish. Or they can be made into a meat product that is unique unlike anything ever tasted before.

So this is what we’re dealing with. Microbiological synthesis doesn’t create the same substance necessarily. In fact, there has been an ongoing debate as to whether synthetic meat can even be marketed as “meat” to the public.
 
I’m grateful that we finally got a Jewish response, instead of folks telling Jews what they believe . . . speaking as an Eastern Catholic who is told so often around here what RC believe . . .

hawk
 
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