Stephen168
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I find this the most amazing claim, “LDS leadership could not properly interpret LDS scripture.”
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MelanieAnne
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Hard to understand when they claim to be led by a prophet that talks to God.
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Ahimsa
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It happens all the time, across all religions. Genesis was interpreted literally, at one point. Southern Baptists, Methodist, Presbyterians, and what not interpreted Noah’s curse as justifying enslaving West Africans. Early Christians misinterpreted Jesus’ statements on the timing of his Second Coming.
That’s why Christianity is not a sola scriptura religion: scripture can always be mis-interpreted. The Holy Spirit is necessary.
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aquabatix
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Perhaps those times when he supposedly talks to god are the times when he’s “not a prophet and just a man”. But wait, that doesn’t leave any other prophetic times. Dang… Oh well, perhaps that’s why JS wanted to run for president of the US, politicians are expected to double talk and reverse what they previously said.
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SirThomasMore
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apparently, when your “god” spoke before, you listened too…hence the racism
Stephen168
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No it doesn’t happen all the time.
The Old Testament and the New Testament are not Southern Baptists, Methodist, Presbyterians scriptures. LDS Scriptures were written, kept, and compiled by LDS. You say Mormon Leadership get their very own writings wrong, amazing!
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Ahimsa
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Uh…the OT and NT are scripture for Southern Baptists. This doesn’t mean that Southern Baptists wrote them. And we all know that Mormons don’t claim to have written the BoM, either.
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scipio337
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By your interpretation. I may disagree with the Muslim point of view that Christ was never crucified, but it certainly doesn’t mean they hold that belief, or are entitled to it.
Stephen168
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Southern Baptists did not write or compile the OT or the NT. The LDS wrote and compiled their scriptures. I say that as a historical scientific fact not as something the LDS claim or reject. WE are talking about real history here not something invented by Joseph Smith. You are also suggesting Brigham Young could not remember the new ‘restored’ faith given to him by Joseph Smith from his own lips. It is amazing they couldn’t keep the story straight for one generation.Uh…the OT and NT are scripture for Southern Baptists. This doesn’t mean that Southern Baptists wrote them. And we all know that Mormons don’t claim to have written the BoM, either.
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TikiTokiguy
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No matter what’s in the Old or New Testament or LDS scriptures, people back then would have came up with something to justify slavery and America’s racist treatment of African Americans.
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Ahimsa
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Correct. Protestants and Mormons did use scripture to justify slavery of West Africans, even though their scriptures never mentioned West Africans.
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SirThomasMore
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yeah, but folks who talk directly to God should be a little more enlightened…right?
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Ahimsa
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Well, the actual fact is that Southern Baptists, as Christians, claim to be Israel, thus making them part of the community that wrote and compiled the OT and NT.
Regarding LDS scripture, if we stick to the scriptures relevant for this thread – the BoM and the PoGP – it would be false to say that “LDS wrote their scriptures”. The LDS did not write it. Thus, I would argue, any interpretation of the BoM and PoGP that the LDS provides (and any interpretation of the OT and NT that the Southern Baptists provide) must be critically examined. And the prime example of the fallibility of both the LDS and many Protestant interpretations of their scriptures is the unbiblical equation of West Africans with the descendants of Ham and/or Cain.
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aquabatix
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Exactally SirThomasMore, the entire crux of the issue in this thread is that the “prophets” are supposed to be more then regular scripture readers and interpreters. They are “prophets, seers and revelators”. They are always treated as they are, except when they get something wrong, and then they are just regular joes, or josephs I guess you could say.
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SirThomasMore
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that is what is amazing. Mormons agree that God is not racist. Yet, their prophets, WHO TALK TO GOD, were incredbly racist.
So, there are only two options:
- God really IS a racist
- LDS prophets really never talk to God…especially since the racism and racist comments went on from 1830s to 1960s.
Stephen168
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Baptists are a 16th century invention that claims scripture, which predates them by 1500 years. LDS are a 19th century invention and so are their scriptures. LDS wrote their own scripture. It is foolish to claim Mormon leaders didn’t know what their own scriptures meant.
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Returning_Home
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The Mormon apostles voted as to whether to allow blacks to hold the priesthood. The vote came about because the church knew it had to do something for damage control, as it was getting dragged through the mud and being called racist by several sources, primarily the NAACP. There were boycotts of BYU games and talk of lawsuits.
The vote was almost conclusive but there was one single holdout: Harold B. Lee.
It’s odd to note that Lee died in 1973 but it still took almost another five years before blacks were permitted the priesthood.
I haven’t read the entire thread so I’ll probably repeat something already said and I apologize in advance.
That said, the BOA (Book of Abraham) states that blacks will not attain the priesthood until some time after the Second Coming, but I guess the Mormon god was wrong about that, too.
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Ahimsa
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LDS ideas of what counts as “doctrine” has been pretty fluid, historically. So, I grant you that, under certain definitions of “doctrine”, APB was a doctrine. But, under other definitions, it was not.
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SirThomasMore
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good post
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soren1
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Actually, there are two definitions of racism. Whenever a Mormon leader condemns racism, if he happens to say what racism is, he always defines it along these lines, “Racism is the false belief, always rejected by the LDS Church, that some people are inferior to others because of their skin color.” Strictly speaking, this is a true statement, because what Mormonism has taught and never retracted is that some people have different skin color because they are inferior. An actual retraction of the LDS Church’s historical teaching about the origin of black skin, explicitly defined as a direct commandment of God by the First Presidency in the 1950s, has never proceeded from the mouth of any Mormon General Authority to this day.
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