Rainbow Eucharist

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In the Church of England, there has sadly been a rise in the number of so-called ‘rainbow eucharists’ taking place, where the Eucharist is performed on an altar draped with a rainbow flag, often with a Bishop’s approval. One of these has just occurred in my town with my Bishop’s approval. A large and increasing number of Anglicans are now looking at other Churches where this sort of distain for Biblical doctrine is not accepted, and wondered if the Catholic Church had ever had problems like this?
 
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if the Catholic Church had ever had problems like this?
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People have committed sacrilege and abused both Christ and the liturgy, sure, but the Catholic Church has and never will entertain the idea of incorporating such blasphemous actions into the liturgy.
 
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wondered if the Catholic Church had ever had problems like this?
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The CC has had it’s share of abuses of the liturgy, and clerics who thwart the Church teaching from the Pulpit and the Altar. Given the recent sex abuse scandals, the CC is not in any position to point the finger at the sins of others. We have our own log to excise.

I frequented a parish that had a Mass and group formembers of Dignity.

Father gave seemed to gleefully offer communion to those who were actively engaged in genital contact with persons of the same sex. They never had a rainbow altar cloth, but maybe that is next? The group and the priests involved were forced out by the Bishop.

The wheat and the tares will grow together until the harvest. It is up to each of us to be wheat, not tares.
 
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Is there a heterosexual version of the flag? Will there be flags for perversions? Was Jesus Himself a popularist? Obviously not since they crucified Him.

What about people who have fallen into a deep and meaningful relationship with a power tool?

I’ll stop asking questions now lest I offend someone,
 
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but the Catholic Church has and never will entertain the idea of incorporating such blasphemous actions into the liturgy.
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Huh? There are Catholic parishes that have had Dignity Masses or so-called “gay pride” Masses and I have seen a few pictures of rainbow altar drapes or the infamous rainbow flag over the altar (the one that the priest in Chicago later burned). Not all bishops object to this and I’m not sure that the mere act of using rainbow decor could be called blasphemous in and of itself.
 
Seems very sacrilegious to me, not because of the rainbow flag but because of the intention behind using it.

Didn’t a priest and bishop in Chicago just have this issue? The church had rainbow flag but also rainbow vestments and chalices and patens and such. The priest threw out all of it and burned the flag and the bishop was the one approving of these vestiments? For their “LGBT mass”?

Is anyone else familiar with this, am I misrepresenting it?
 
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I’m exaggerating the point I’m making. Just because love isn’t reciprocated by my power tool doesn’t mean I should be prevented from marrying it surely? If such a thing happens then I’m sure I will be accommodated by some kind of church somewhere. This is preempting the future when people will say, look, these robots are almost human and I love mine, why should I be prevented from having a church white wedding.

Too silly.
 
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Unfortunately things like this do happen in the Catholic Church. The difference is they won’t take hold or take the Catholic Church. Individual priests and even bishops can do stupid and even blasphemous things. But that has not and never will consume the Catholic Church as it does Protestant churches.

If it does happen to occur in your parish there is likely some other nearby parish that doesn’t engage in such offenses. So you don’t have to leave the Catholic Church to escape it as you would a Protestant church.
 
The emphasis is being put on peoples happiness not what the Church has taught us that God wants from us.

If the drive to appease this lust for personal happiness and freedom is taken to the limits then we could see a future where people will want a church ceremony because it’s a fun thing to do, or because they’ve always wanted a church wedding etc regardless of wether it’s in keeping with our religion. We take a small opening and we force a lever into it and force it ever wider.

Either you really don’t understand me or you’re trying to ridicule my point.
Either way I’ve said all I’m going to say.

(Ok, just one more thought, the Church was built brick by brick, and that’s how it can be dismantled.)
 
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Huh? There are Catholic parishes that have had Dignity Masses or so-called “gay pride” Masses and I have seen a few pictures of rainbow altar drapes or the infamous rainbow flag over the altar (the one that the priest in Chicago later burned).
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A few parishes and bishops doing something does not mean the entire Church allows or condones it. That is what I meant.
 
I don’t think you’re going to get “the entire Church” to agree on this or on a number of other issues, but the fact remains that the Bishop of a diocese is for all intents and purposes the authority of the Church in that diocese, and more than one Bishop has permitted this, and to my knowledge the Vatican has not objected or prevented this from occurring. Therefore, it seems incorrect to call it a blasphemous practice not condoned by the Church.

In some cases, a new Bishop has come in later and reversed the policy. I believe in NYC a change in leadership prevented Dignity from meeting at parish churches. So one of the local religious orders invited them over to the order’s (known to be quite pro-gay) church to continue their activities. Said religious order is presumably still under the authority of the Vatican, and is still going about its business.
 
I saw recently that a Catholic priest–I believe it is James Martin–is now advocating a rainbow colored Rosary.
 
I used to love, as a kid, seeing a rainbow !
So fun and exciting ! Even now still…
There was a rapper - recently arrested - had rainbow hair -
and rainbow teeth -
I even have a rainbow tattooed n my shoulder -
with a storm cloud under - and in the middle of the arc - with a lightning bolt.
Anyways -
I never liked how a certain group of people - hijacked - the image.
I saw a photo of the white house - with rainbow color lights on the building. Burak Obama.
I would - rethink my position - on the rainbow - if on the Eucharist.
But God used the rainbow as a weapon of war - lain down.
I may be wrong though.
 
The rosary he is advocating has decades of different colors advocating prayer for different groups/ causes in the Church/ world. The first decade is pink for women and their babies born and unborn, second decade is blue and green for “Mother Earth”, third decade is brown for immigrants and refugees, fourth decade is black for people of color and the incarcerated, fifth decade is rainbow for LGBTQ inclusion in all churches. Whole thing is made by Congolese refugees in North Carolina and I’m not sure the company making and selling it is Catholic. I kind of doubt it as they also sell things like earrings with a picture of Colin Kaepernick.

Fr. Martin shared a picture of it on social media, I guess he likes the idea. I did not buy one.

I note that there have been rainbow-colored wooden rosaries sold for many years for use by children as colorful, unbreakable and non-toxic. I see them frequently in religious goods stores. I hope no one now thinks of them as “gay rosaries” as to my knowledge, that was never the intent.
 
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Is there a heterosexual version of the flag?
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Yes. It’s the same flag, but the stripes are alternating black and white. And it is often used by people who are not, well, nice.

It’s a fine line we must walk between inclusion of those struggling with sexual issues, and maintaining fidelity to Christian sexual ethics.

My view is that people struggling with sexual issues are sinners just as we all are. Some have sexual issues. Others cheat on their taxes, lie, do drugs or drink excessively, etc.

And I will bet dollars-to-donuts that many that do lie, cheat on their taxes, do drugs or drink too much continue to do so and still go up for the Eucharist. It’s not up to us to say who is in a state of grace or not. Only God, the penitent and his or her confessor knows. For all we know the active gay man or woman (or the tax cheat etc.) has just been to the confessional and sincerely confessed with a firm purpose of amendment, but as with many habitual sins, repeatedly falls. It really behooves us to work out our own salvation with trembling and fear rather than that of our pew-mates.

One presumes if an LGBQT person is sincerely in church seeking God, and seeking a better way to live, we should bend over backwards to welcome him or her, just as we would welcome a tax cheat, drunk, addict or ex-con coming to church to try and find a better way to live.

Certainly when I see so many of the clergy, including princes of the Church, having difficulty practicing what they preach, perhaps it would help to de-emphasize a certain class of sinner (sexual ones) and remind everyone that we are all sinners who fall short of the Glory of God.

With all that said… as something of a good liturgy fan, the liturgy is the place to be welcoming to sinners. But not the place to be provocative.
 
Sorry, I’m not sure why you have replied to me?

You seem to have singled me out, I thought we were all inclusive?
 
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Because I answered your question on whether there was a heterosexual equivalent of the rainbow flag.

The rest of the response, is general, not specific to any one person.
 
I don’t understand, is there a black and white flag for heterosexual Catholics which is draped on the altar or are you joking?
 
I don’t understand all this about people who are other than heterosexual. For example, what’s the difference between a single heterosexual man who is a Catholic and celibate and a gay person who is a Catholic and who is celibate? Or,even a bisexual person who limits themselves to the opposite sex who is celibate and Catholic.?

There is no difference surely, so why celebrate anything other than our faith? Why promote gay anything?

The only reason I can see why anyone would want to do that is if they thought that en masse they could alter the tenets of the Catholic Church. I don’t see that happening.
 
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