Raising kids Catholic when baptised in the Orthodx Church

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My oldest of three is 15. Before we had kids, I consulted a trusted, Catholic Deacon regarding baptism. My husband is Orthodox Ukrainian ( non-practicing ). His elderly parents had a wish that the children be baptised in the Orthodox faith and the baptisms were performed by an Orthodox priest in my in-laws home. The priest was the uncle of my husband. It was a beautiful, intimate service for all three babies and deeply meaningful. My concern was raising them Catholic. ( I am a craddle, practicing Catholic ). The deacon said this would not be a problem since the Catholic Church would fully accept the baptisms from the Orthodox Church.

Although the children are practicing Catholics, will there be any problem in the future with this baptism issue?
 
No, their baptisms are valid.

I don’t know about licit? Is there such a thing for baptism? I don’t know if it’s like marriage, where you would or should receive some sort of dispensation to have children baptized in a different rite. My gut says no, but I really don’t know if there is anything that is “required” there. It sounds like you may have gotten something like that through your discussion with your deacon (but again, don’t know if a deacon would be the one to do this if it’s necessary, rather than a bishop or parish priest).

On the other hand, prudence would suggest that it would be better to have children baptised in the rite they are to be raised in, since there ARE differences of doctrine between Catholics and Orthodox.

Regardless, though - their baptisms are valid since the Orthodox hold the same beliefs regarding baptism, and there isn’t anything that needs to be “done,” such as provisional baptism.
 
I posted this question here because a Canon law lawyer told me the children would have to go through the RCIA classes ( like all others converting to Catholicism ) to become Catholic. I found this hard to believe.
 
I posted this question here because a Canon law lawyer told me the children would have to go through the RCIA classes ( like all others converting to Catholicism ) to become Catholic. I found this hard to believe.
I know that Orthodox adults who become Catholic don’t go through RCIA, but I haven’t actually run into the situation so I don’t know details. Br. Rich SFO or Puzzleannie would probably have more info. I believe that when Orthodox become Catholic they enter the Eastern Catholic church that corresponds to their Orthodox church.
 
I know that Orthodox adults who become Catholic don’t go through RCIA, but I haven’t actually run into the situation so I don’t know details. Br. Rich SFO or Puzzleannie would probably have more info. I believe that when Orthodox become Catholic they enter the Eastern Catholic church that corresponds to their Orthodox church.
But if they wanted to become Roman Catholic, would they have to go through RCIA? Hmm. I don’t know. It would seem that if the kids have been raised since birth in the Roman church, there wouldn’t be a need for this, since they’ve already received other sacraments through the Roman church, (First Holy Communion, Confession) correct? I would think that they would only need to go through the normal Confirmation classes for full initiation.

I would say this is a pretty unique situation.
 
I don’t think they need to go through RCIA. Here is a link to the USCCB website regarding the RCIA process; they state that it is for non-baptised new members.

“The RCIA, which stands for Rite of Christian Initiation of Adults, is a process through which non-baptized men and women enter the Catholic Church.”
 
Also from the same site, this paragraph is more likely what the Canon Lawyer may have been referring to:

"What is meant when people refer to men and women coming into “full communion with the Church”?

Coming into full communion with the Catholic Church describes the process for entrance into the Catholic Church for men and women who are baptized Christians but not Roman Catholics. These individuals make a profession of faith but are not baptized again. To prepare for this reception, the people, who are called “candidates,” usually participate in a program to help them understand and experience the teachings and practices of the Catholic Church. Some preparation may be with catechumens preparing for baptism, but the preparation for candidates is different since they have already been baptized and committed to Jesus Christ, and many have also been active members of other Christian communities. "

However, like I said before, since your children really aren’t coming from a different rite as they have already been raised Roman Catholic, I don’t even think that this section really applies either.
 
But if they wanted to become Roman Catholic, would they have to go through RCIA? Hmm. I don’t know. It would seem that if the kids have been raised since birth in the Roman church, there wouldn’t be a need for this, since they’ve already received other sacraments through the Roman church, (First Holy Communion, Confession) correct? I would think that they would only need to go through the normal Confirmation classes for full initiation.

I would say this is a pretty unique situation.
They would have been confirmed (chrismated) and received their First Communion at their baptism, so they don’t need to prepare to receive those sacraments.

OK…I found a web page that addresses this source]. Here are some excerpts:

Answered by Legionary of Christ Father Edward McNamara, professor of liturgy at the Regina Apostolorum university.

Q: What is the procedure for a person who was baptized Macedonian Orthodox and who now wants to be received into the Roman Catholic Church? — F.F., Toronto

A: In the vast majority of cases Orthodox Christians have been validly baptized, confirmed and received the Eucharist from infancy, and thus do not have to receive any of these sacraments.

[snip]

The specific process for incorporating a baptized Eastern Christian is covered above all in the Code of Canon Law of the Eastern Churches, canons 35 and 896-901.

Canon 896 specifies that for those adult Christians (beyond 14 years) “who ask of their own accord to enter into full communion with the Catholic Church, whether as individuals or as groups, no burden is to be imposed beyond what is necessary.”

Canon 897 indicates that the Christian may be received “With only the profession of faith after a doctrinal and spiritual preparation that is suited to the person’s condition.”

With respect to individual laypersons the right to receive usually pertains to the pastor although in some cases particular law might reserve this admission to a higher authority (cf. Canon 898.3).

Canon 35, however, is important because it specifies that baptized non-Catholics entering into full communion “should retain their own rite and should observe it everywhere in the world as far as humanly possible. Thus they are to be ascribed to the Church ‘sui iuris’ of the same rite.”

When the person wishes not only to become Catholic but to change to the Latin rite, the same canon recognizes the right to approach the Holy See (the Congregation for Eastern Churches) in special cases.

Therefore, in the case at hand, the simplest thing to do is to approach the Eastern eparchy most closely resembling his original rite in order to be admitted into the Catholic Church in accordance with the dispositions of the pastor.

Once admitted, he should continue to practice the faith in the corresponding Eastern rite. But he may also freely practice in the Latin rite for a just cause, for example, if there were no churches of his own rite within a reasonable distance.

In order to formally switch rites, he would need to recur to the Holy See as mentioned above.

Follow-up: When an Orthodox Joins the Catholic Church [10-30-2007]

Two readers, both expert canonists, sent in some clarifications that expand on my earlier answer (Oct. 16) regarding how an Orthodox Christian may enter the Catholic Church. I am very grateful and happily share their wisdom with our readers.

I had suggested that the Orthodox Christian seek out the nearest Eastern eparchy in order to make the profession of faith. A canonist informed me that when this is not feasible, "The simplest thing to do, in the likelihood that the proper Eastern Catholic Church ‘sui iuris’ is not readily accessible, is for an Eastern Christian to make a profession of faith before the local (usually Latin) Catholic pastor.

"The Eastern Christian recites the Nicene Creed and adds: ‘I believe and profess all that the holy Catholic Church believes, teaches, and proclaims to be revealed by God’ (RCIA, Appendix, 2, 15; USA, 474, 491).

“Ascription to the proper ritual Church ‘sui iuris’ is automatic but needs to be recorded. Mentioning this in your column will be helpful in reminding Latin priests (and priests of other Churches ‘sui iuris’) to note it properly in the remarks of the baptismal registry (which usually serves as the ‘special book’ referred to in RCIA, Appendix, 13; USA, 486).”

[snip]
 
My oldest of three is 15. Before we had kids, I consulted a trusted, Catholic Deacon regarding baptism. My husband is Orthodox Ukrainian ( non-practicing ). His elderly parents had a wish that the children be baptised in the Orthodox faith and the baptisms were performed by an Orthodox priest in my in-laws home. The priest was the uncle of my husband. It was a beautiful, intimate service for all three babies and deeply meaningful. My concern was raising them Catholic. ( I am a craddle, practicing Catholic ). The deacon said this would not be a problem since the Catholic Church would fully accept the baptisms from the Orthodox Church.

Although the children are practicing Catholics, will there be any problem in the future with this baptism issue?
The problem is that the children are not Catholic . They are Orthodox. They need to be received into the church.The Baptism is recognized and is valid but it is not interchangeable. What about the other Sacraments? If they received them at the Baptism I’m not sure they would be eligible to just walk into a Catholic church and begin receiving them there.Have they taken religious ed classes in the Catholic Church? What do mean by they are practicing? Just attending Mass? I get the impression you mean receiving communion. What about Confession? This should have been taken care of when they were younger if you meant for them to be Catholics. If they were below the age of reason it would have been simpler. At least one of them will now have to make a formal profession of faith as far as I can tell. Probably will have to go through RCIA for children at least. Of course you should go speak with your priest. Maybe he can do a one on one case by case type of solution for them.
Don’t feak out about it though. Seems like you were led astray or misunderstood something.
 
I was unaware that at baptism, the Orthodox also confirm and administer First Holy Communion. Based on the above-mentioned canons, it does seem that the children would have to make some sort of formal profession of faith for the Roman church. And as mentioned above, your parish priest would be the first place to go to inquire about this. I wouldn’t think that it would be a major obstacle (or even a minor one at that) since from what I gather your children have been practicing Roman Catholicism since infancy. I believe this would be a “just cause” for their desire to be members of the Roman church rather than the Ukranian Catholic Church (if that is the sui juris church that would correspond in this case), for instance. As for education, if they are already in some sort of catechism classes, or attending a Roman Catholic school, I don’t know how much more education would be needed beyond the normal catechesis for children. Perhaps enrollment in Confirmation classes, just so they understand what the sacrament they have presumably already received means.
 
yes, Orthodox baptize, confirm (chrismate) and receive first communion at the same time. It would be an easier transition to go to an Eastern Catholic Church, which also does this. All Orthodox sacraments are valid according to the Catholic Church. So, if you would like the children to receive communion, go to an Eastern Catholic parish, as it may just be too weird attempting to do so in a Latin Catholic parish.

Orthodox many/most times are accepted through a profession of faith. Similarly, some Orthodox Churches (like the Russian Orthodox Church) accept Catholics through a profession of faith, while accepting Anglicans and other protestants through chrismation.
 
The problem is that the children are not Catholic . They are Orthodox. They need to be received into the church. … Probably will have to go through RCIA for children at least.
I don’t think RCIA would make sense since I’m not sure what Rites an Orthodox Christian could possibly require. It’s possible that an uncatechized child might need to attend some of the formation classes with children who are going through RCIA before he could make a profession of faith in a Latin rite Church. But as has been stated, the Latin rite Church is probably not the appropriate place for an Orthodox child to make a Catholic profession of faith.
 
If you are a practicing Catholic and since birth have taken your children to Mass with you and presumably up until now they have recieved their Sacraments at the usual time for Latin Rite Catholics (leaving aside the issue of what specifically happened at the baptism), then what exactly is the issue?

You should speak to your priest about this. I assume you are worried about confirmation for your oldest, but I don’t see why this should be an issue if it hasn’t been for First Holy Communion. The best person to consult is your priest, please speak to him.
 
to many unanswered questions, which you would have to discuss with your priest, and he might have to get clarification from the chancery.

Yes the sacraments they received are valid. They are baptized, and if chrismation and administration of Eucharist was done at the same time, also valid.

In general: Orthodox becoming Catholic do not participate in RCIA, they merely make a profession of faith and are received into full communion, generally not at Easter but at another time. They may, especially children who have not been catechized, require some instruction in the differences in liturgy, practice and beliefs and the nature of their profession of faith, but it is NOT RCIA. They may also require instruction on confession at this time if they were never catechized on this sacrament.

the other unanswered question is rite. When Orthodox become Catholic they usually become part of the Rite which corresponds to their Orthodox branch, and that depends on the affiliation of their father. That is where it gets tricky and usually has to be determined by the bishop on a case by case basis, and I can attest the average “RCIA lady” is not equipped to answer this question.

If for some reason, if the circumstance of the private baptism was unusual and the rest of initiation was not carried out at that time, the children would ordinarily–if the parents request it–join sacramental preparation classes with others of their age group and complete their Christian initiation through first communion and confirmation (preceded by first confession) at the normal age for Catholic children of the diocese. Again, the question of rite has to be answered.

assuming in this case the father’s rite is Ukranian Orthodox, the children were baptized into that rite, and if the parents agree (and the children must agree also if over the age of reason) and wish now to become Catholic, they make their profession of faith and are received into the Ukranian Catholic Rite. Suppose the mother is a Latin Rite Catholic, the father no longer practices and does not care either way, even though the child is formally received into the appropriate Eastern rite and the fact is recorded that way, there is no reason he or she cannot attend Mass, parochial school, religious instruction etc. with his peers in the Latin Rite parish. Somebody just has to remember to instruct the child on the rite to which he belongs because it will be important when he marries and has children of his own.
 
Just for clarity, the children have attended Catholic school since grade K. My oldest is in public high school ( no Catholic HS in town ) and attends religious ed. All 3 children are/have been alter servers, cantors, lectors and actively participate in our church and parish. All 3 children have received the sacraments of Reconciliation and First Communion in the Catholic Church. They know no other faith. I deeply regret having them baptized in the Orthodox church knowing what I know now. I do feel I was misinformed by a trusted and well meaning deacon. My daughter is scheduled to make her confirmation with her religious ed class in a year and a half. I just want to do the right thing for my kids sake. I will talk with our pastor ( who is not the most caring pastor I have ever had!!! ) and see what he recommends. Thank you.
 
Just for clarity, the children have attended Catholic school since grade K. My oldest is in public high school ( no Catholic HS in town ) and attends religious ed. All 3 children are/have been alter servers, cantors, lectors and actively participate in our church and parish. All 3 children have received the sacraments of Reconciliation and First Communion in the Catholic Church. They know no other faith. I deeply regret having them baptized in the Orthodox church knowing what I know now. I do feel I was misinformed by a trusted and well meaning deacon. My daughter is scheduled to make her confirmation with her religious ed class in a year and a half. I just want to do the right thing for my kids sake. I will talk with our pastor ( who is not the most caring pastor I have ever had!!! ) and see what he recommends. Thank you.
Were your children not chrismated (confirmed) when they were baptized? That’s the usual practice for the Orthodox.
 
Hi, 🙂

I was baptized Orthodox as a child and later became Catholic.

My baptism and confirmation (chrismation) was valid, and I just had to make a profession of faith, go to Confession and Communion.

I’m now technically an Eastern Catholic, but since I don’t live near any Eastern Catholic church, I attend a Roman Catholic parish.

hope that helps…
 
Just for clarity, the children have attended Catholic school since grade K. My oldest is in public high school ( no Catholic HS in town ) and attends religious ed. All 3 children are/have been alter servers, cantors, lectors and actively participate in our church and parish. All 3 children have received the sacraments of Reconciliation and First Communion in the Catholic Church. They know no other faith. I deeply regret having them baptized in the Orthodox church knowing what I know now. I do feel I was misinformed by a trusted and well meaning deacon. My daughter is scheduled to make her confirmation with her religious ed class in a year and a half. I just want to do the right thing for my kids sake. I will talk with our pastor ( who is not the most caring pastor I have ever had!!! ) and see what he recommends. Thank you.
I think your kids would need to make a Youth Profession of Faith. Their baptism needs to be recorded in a Catholic church. For record purposes, the church where a person is baptized is the place where all their sacramental records are kept. Since your children were baptized outside the RC church, they must make a profession of faith in the RC church, and then that parish will be their church of records.

Also, if it is true that your children will be recorded as a different rite, that can be changed later on, also. A man in our church recently asked to be changed from Byzantine Rite to Roman Rite, in the interest of family harmony. I believe it had to go through the Diocese, but it is recorded in our sacramental book.
 
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