Raising natural traditional marriage to the sacrament of marriage

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In the debate about marriage it’s important for Catholics to know that a natural marriage that takes place outside of the Catholic Church between one man and one woman who aren’t Catholic can be valid in the eyes of the Catholic Church even though it’s not a sacramental marriage. Natural marriage was what God first instituted by marrying Adam and Eve so that the two become “one flesh” (thank God that the first man and woman weren’t homosexual or none of us would be here). But Christ (God the Son) raised this to to a supernatural reality.

Marriage, like all the sacraments, involves natural form and matter. In the case of marriage the natural element is the physical union of one man and one woman. The basic concept of taking the natural and raising it to the supernatural is also the key to understanding all the other sacraments. For example, the natural function of water is to cleanse the body of impurities. But Christ elevated this natural function to the supernatural reality of Baptism which cleanses our soul of all spiritual impurities.

So the point of this is that the Church cares about protecting traditional marriage, even when it’s a marriage outside of the Catholic Church and not sacramental such as the civil marriage of one man and one woman who aren’t Catholic, because we affirm the validity of natural marriage.
 
livingwordunity said:
In the debate about marriage it’s important for Catholics to know that a natural marriage that takes place outside of the Catholic Church between one man and one woman who aren’t Catholic can be valid in the eyes of the Catholic Church even though it’s not a sacramental marriage.
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If both parties are baptized, the marriage is sacramental as well as valid.
 
SuscipeMeDomine said:
If both parties are baptized, the marriage is sacramental as well as valid.
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That depends. For example, if a Catholic marries a baptized Protestant outside of the Catholic Church without a dispensation from the bishop the marriage isn’t valid. Or if two who are baptized and the same sex attempt to marry, it isn’t a valid sacramental marriage. Of if one isn’t free to marry because of a valid previous marriage then the marriage they are attempting wouldn’t be valid or sacramental.

But the point of this thread is why we defend civil traditional marriage of one man and one woman that is valid but not sacramental. This needs to be understood by Catholics because the ones arguing for so-called “same-sex marriage” try to confuse Catholics by trying to get us to think that marriage isn’t worth anything if it’s not sacramental. They are doing this to create a false dichotomy between the sacraments and the basic natural order of God’s creation.
 
Basic natural marriage was what Adam and Eve had, and this was a union that was blessed by God even though it was not elevated to a sacrament. A homosexual union can’t be a natural marriage because it can never be equal the marriage of Adam and Eve.
 
livingwordunity said:
That depends.
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I should have been clearer. A valid marriage between two baptized people is sacramental. A valid marriage where one or both parties are not baptized is a natural marriage.

I was trying to clarify your initial statement which made it sound as if any marriage outside the Catholic church was automatically non-sacramental.

In the debate about marriage it’s important for Catholics to know that a natural marriage that takes place outside of the Catholic Church between one man and one woman who aren’t Catholic can be valid in the eyes of the Catholic Church even though it’s not a sacramental marriage.

I’ll bow out now.
 
SuscipeMeDomine said:
I should have been clearer. A valid marriage between two baptized people is sacramental. A valid marriage where one or both parties are not baptized is a natural marriage.

I was trying to clarify your initial statement which made it sound as if any marriage outside the Catholic church was automatically non-sacramental.

In the debate about marriage it’s important for Catholics to know that a natural marriage that takes place outside of the Catholic Church between one man and one woman who aren’t Catholic can be valid in the eyes of the Catholic Church even though it’s not a sacramental marriage.

I’ll bow out now.
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I think you are correct. It would have been better if I would have said “even when it’s not a sacramental marriage”. Thank you for helping to clarify my initial statement. 🙂
 
Lol, no such thing as natural marriage. It’s a purely man-made concept, and isn’t found in nature.
 
Apparently, according to my 90 year old mother who was told this by her aunt (a very devout Catholic), most Catholics were not married in Church in England in the 19th century. According to what this aunt said an engaged couple had to save 10 gold sovereigns in order to be married in Church (a years pay). Most, being working class and poor could not afford it. This aunt’s parents (my mum’s grandparents) saved for ten years in order to be married in church. Around 1900 the RC Church in England gave an amnesty to all RC’s living common law or civilly married and changed the rules for marriage so all could afford it.

I’m trying to research this.
 
Regular_Atheist said:
It’s made by humans, and is therefore man-made. Of course, by your logic everything is natural.
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If you believe marriage is a man-made concept, who do you believe was the man that first invented the concept of marriage?
 
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