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I cannot believe that anyone would believe that christ would build His church on a human being and a sinner at that, namely Peter. Christ is building His church on Himself , the Solid Rock. Peter is dead, Christ is still alive and interceding for us at the right hand of God. PTL, Ralph.You are just passing the buck in search of a different standard to avoid admitting the rationally obvious necessity for The Church in the role of scripture interpreter. So rather than recognize scripture through discernment of spirit The Church is only capable of recognizing “inspired authors”? No doubt there had to be a list of “who” these inspired authors were ahead of time? Where do you suppose it was? It’s not in the bible. Are you trying to grant the church the ability of prophesy here or limited infallability Howie? You have to give up something. Admit it - without the Catholic Church and her authority to discern and interpret scripture you have no bible… Present your evidence of these other “many” who believed the same thing. Calling your bluff here…
For starters you need their teaching authority so you can “receive” the word that you all are trying to torture into saying ungodly things (well meaning of course) to push on others.
And you then need the apostolic authority so you can be assured of being forgiven of your sins for unauthorized teaching and passing of error to the unsuspecting who’s salvation necessitate the truth - not latent neo-Chrisitan theories that won’t save anyone.
No it would be said just like it is:
Matthew 7:21
"Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.
Notice that the operative phrase is “but he who DOES the will of my Father”. “Does” is a verb. Does in an ACTION. AN ACTION is a work of grace. That requires more than a mere work of flapping the lips to ascend to heaven with a flurry of “I believe” statements. It means obeying ALL Jesus’ commandments and that also means listening to and obeying those who Jesus sent to teach. That means carrying one’s cross. That means REPENTING of sins. That means caring showing mercy etc. In other words it means demonstrating who the man is behind the lips. Judas tried the kissy on the lips works - but he ended up not having the guts to ascend to heaven under the gravity of sin and spilled them out all over the rocks. Speaking of rocks do you recall how Goliath got brained through his own temple and decapitated? And do you remember who The Church is built on?
*Matthew 16:18
“I also say to you that you are Peter, and upon **this rock ***I will build My church; and the gates of Hades will not overpower it.”
Get with the program Howie - God is giving you all kinds of hints.
Believers in what gospel though is the important matter? I don’t question your commitment to your faith. I just question who’s faith it is you are following. It’s certainly not the apostolic faith that Catholics have received continuously for 2,000 years.
So you do have a street address. Do you all have any evidence of anyone actually ever being “saved” from your faith community?
How do you know that you are following the proper guidelines?
Who has the authority to judge in these matters? Is your judge infallable?
So somone in your faith community is charisma with infallability? You all have a pope?
Who gets to decide on interpretation of scripture? Is it a majority rule system like a democracy? Does a democracy define truth?
The church is both visible and invisible? Does it include the Lutherans and the baptists, and the Mormons and the Catholics too? Who gets to decide who is in your club?
Who is in the invisible Church?
You believe in a chain of command?!! So do Catholics! We believe that that chain is from heaven to earth through the pontiff and thence through the bishops thence through the priests and deacons to the laity. Our clerics are all approved by an apostolic bishop since these have the original authority passed down from Peter. Where doe your authority come from and who appoints who? How do you know they are qualified?
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James