Ralphy's Questions for Catholics

[benedicta00]

Take a look at 1st John 1:8-10 and 1st John 2:1,2. Sin is not a total rejection of salvation. And there is no sin in heaven. Ralph

depends on what kind of sin it is. if it is not grave matter or if it is but one does not know it, etc, ect.

There are many extenuating circumstances that make a sin either “unto death” or sin that is venial, meaning not unto death.

But I’m still not understanding your response. If you feel the sins of the ‘saved’ are not deadly-- why confess them?

i know the non Catholic belief, that the ‘deadly sins’ are those of the unsaved and the saved ppl’s sins go with out consequence… so it baffles me why you bother to confess them, i mean if they aren’t deadly and your saved in advance, what’s the point?

 

[benedicta00]

My Roman catholic bible says “REPENT AND BE BAPTISED”, it looks like pretty clear english to me. Repent first----then baptism. Why don’t you give up and stop trying to twist this statement. Ralph

oh and ralphy, you left out “everyone of you… and you will receive the gift of God…”

Peter was converting Jews to the faith. Of course they would need to “repent,” they were adults for one. There were no “cradle Christian”… *all *were jewish converts who needed to “come to believe” they needed a savior and Christ was He. that ‘coming to believe’ is the working of the Holy Spirit but ralphy, it is not our redemption.

Our redemption is Christ blood out poured and us dying to the old man and being born again in this mystery. baptism is this mystery.

So yeah, all needed to repent and accept Christ but after they did, they were commanded (a command, not a request) to be baptized in the name of the trinity and *then *the received the gift of God which is total redemption form their sins but most importantly, Adam’s sin.

 

[Dchsknight]

My Roman catholic bible says “REPENT AND BE BAPTISED”, it looks like pretty clear english to me. Repent first----then baptism. Why don’t you give up and stop trying to twist this statement. Ralph

no, no, no. IT does not mean “Then Be” it means “and Be” there is a big difference when you say Repent First —THEN Baptism. I know it sounds like arguing Symantics but it is a big difference.

Repent then Baptize, Suggest a sequence of events, but the bible clearly States that Baptism, Salvation, and Repentance, are all the same thing. with Clear indications in acts and 1 Peter stating that Baptism saves. Because Blo.od was paid with Jesus, so Blo.od is no longer needed from us, but baptism. Ultimately the Blo.od of Jesus saves. But what you seem to miss, is that Jesus/God works with oaths and Covenants.

The first Covenant, was horrid when you think it about it here is why, God made a covenant with Abraham, if you read Genesis the whole action of cutting the animals in half and walking in between the halves says, “may what was done to these animals happen to me, if i break this Covenant” The sign that you were under the covenant was Circumcision. When you were under the Old law you followed it and the understanding, Even if the meaning of the Oath was lost through time because of the Pharisees, was that you were to be cut in half.

The New Covenant was made, because we as men can not obey the law, it is impossible, for any one mortal man to obey the whole law. The Covenant was made with Jesus and us, when we trust him and follow him we make an oath, the Oath is this, “May I have done to me what was done to Jesus, If i walk away from him” Truly that is what it means. The Sign of the new Covenant is Baptism, there is also a second sign. That is Communion. But Communion is the higher sign. JUST like Sacrifice that God set up to atone for sin before Jesus, was the higher sign, over Circumcision, Communion is the higher sign over Baptism. But you must have both Signs in order to have the Oath. you can not have one or the Other.

A Man in the Old Law was reminded of the law ever time, well to be frank and Honest, Every time he saw his Pen.is. Now we are reminded of our Oath, by communion. we sign our Oath with Baptism, saying “May we endure what Jesus did, if we fail” Then we renew that Oath with Communion.

 

[allhers]

depends on what kind of sin it is. if it is not grave matter or if it is but one does not know it, etc, ect.

There are many extenuating circumstances that make a sin either “unto death” or sin that is venial, meaning not unto death.

But I’m still not understanding your response. If you feel the sins of the ‘saved’ are not deadly-- why confess them?

i know the non Catholic belief, that the ‘deadly sins’ are those of the unsaved and the saved ppl’s sins go with out consequence… so it baffles me why you bother to confess them, i mean if they aren’t deadly and your saved in advance, what’s the point?

1 John 5:16-17
If anyone sees his brother sinning, if the sin is not deadly,
he should pray to God and he will give him life.
This is only for those whose sin is not deadly.
There is such a thing as deadly sin,
about which I do not say that you should pray.
All wrongdoing is sin, but there is sin that is not deadly.
and in the footnotes it says this:
(1 John 5:16-17) for those who are in sin, but not in deadly sin (literally, “sin unto death”), probably referring to apostasy or activities brought on under the antichrist; cf Mark 3:29; Hebrews 6:4-6; 10:26-31. Even in the latter case, however, prayer, while not enjoined, is not forbidden.

 

[benedicta00]

38 But Peter said to them: Do penance, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ, for the remission of your sins: and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

here’s the actual verse. It says to do penance which is turn from sin and be baptized (simontanously) and you will receive the HS- all simontanously.

of course we all know that we must go on to accept daily what we have been given freely or the graces will not be operative in our lives.

 

[benedicta00]

There is no process to remove sin after we die, if we are saved, we are covered by the Blood of Christ, our sin is taken care of. The bible says, it is appointed unto man once to die and after this the judgement. Heb 9:27
Ralph

so Christians have a free pass to sin and others who are not Christian will pay for their sins?

 

[jmcrae]

Do you have some of these tracts? Ralph

I’ve seen them before. I don’t have any in my possession at the moment. I signed a Four Spiritual Laws tract, one time when I was a kid, before I knew how out-of-context the Scripture verses had been taken.

 

[benedicta00]

I assume that you are aware that there are two types of judgements, the “white throne” judgement and the “judgement seat of Christ”. The white throne judgedment is for the unsaved, the judgement seat of Christis is for the saved.

can I have the place in scripture that actually teaches this in context?

tell me, *why *do we have to go before the judgement seat of Christ if the sins were already covered? What will Christ judge?

I believe that the unpardonable sin is the Rejection of the Holy spirit when the Holy Spirit has one under conviction to be saved,and one refuses to accept this gift,almost persuaded. Ralph

believe it or not, we do agree with this but we do not see it in terms as ppl have nice little categories as one being ‘saved’ and unsaved. Blasphemy of the HS is when He convicts of our sin and we unto death refuse to repent.

Are you really going to tell me a ‘saved’ person can not choose to sin against God and refuse to repent?

Oh but wait, it is you premise that saved folks have a pass… they are free to sin.

 

[Dchsknight]

Originally Posted by ralphy View Post
There is no process to remove sin after we die, if we are saved, we are covered by the of Christ, our sin is taken care of. The bible says, it is appointed unto man once to die and after this the judgement. Heb 9:27
Ralph

CR.AP ralph, again you take stuff out of Context. This verse has nothing to do with being covered by the Blo.od , This verse is referring to Christ’s Sacrifice…The whole thing says “Just as people are destined to die once then face judgment. 28 So Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of Many:…” The writer of Hebrews is correcting people who have the idea that they have to re-sacrifice Christ every time they sin. He is referring to the fact that the Old Priests had to go into the Holy of Holies and sprinkle Blo.od on the mercy seat. He is saying that if that we had to re-sacrifice Christ we would have to ki.ll a physical man over and over and over and then we would back to square one with the old Covenant, which we are no longer under…

READ THE WHOLE CHAPTER! not just a snipit,
READ THE WHOLE CHAPTER! not just a snipit,
READ THE WHOLE CHAPTER! not just a snipit,
READ THE WHOLE CHAPTER! not just a snipit,

And just in case you missed it
READ THE WHOLE CHAPTER! not just a snipit,

 

[benedicta00]

You can find “White throne” judgement in Rev 20:11-15, this judgement is for the unsaved. The judgement seat of God is found in Romans 14:10, this is the judgement of the saved, not for their sins, for they are forgiven, but for any works they have done (which if they stand the test of fire) will have some value,and they will receive awards. Ralph

pardon me but do you know how much you have read into the scriptures that is just not there?

This is called exegesis and proof texting. It’s also call protestant traditions of men. There is no way in heck one can derive all that from those verse unless they are indoctrinated first.

I’m, sorry ralphy, i really am but we all read the bible through a lens. Catholics interpret the bible through the lens of apostolic tradition. You through radical protestant traditions.

I think you really should do some self examination of why you trust the men of the reformation to interpret scripture fr you and not Christ’s own apostles.

 

[Dchsknight]

You still have not even answered where you get the idea that there is two judgments… You are a very confused person. This is why Protestantism is so evil and wrong. Your right back in the dark ages, People are free to interprate what ever they want and however they want, which leads to Mormonism and seventh day adventists.

Which then also leads to Women Ministers and the tolerance of Gay marriage, Contraception, and tolerance of Abortion.

 

[SteveGC]

My Roman catholic bible says “REPENT AND BE BAPTISED”, it looks like pretty clear english to me. Repent first----then baptism. Why don’t you give up and stop trying to twist this statement. Ralph

Hi Ralph! Hey, can we look a little further into Acts 2. A few verses past v38. Let’s look at the instances of the use of the word “AND”, and see if your interpretation in v38 holds up.

• 42They devoted themselves to the apostles’ teaching and to the fellowship, to the breaking of bread and to prayer. 43Everyone was filled with awe, and many wonders and miraculous signs were done by the apostles. 44All the believers were together and had everything in common. 45Selling their possessions and goods, they gave to anyone as he had need. 46Every day they continued to meet together in the temple courts. They broke bread in their homes and ate together with glad and sincere hearts, 47praising God and enjoying the favor of all the people. And the Lord added to their number daily those who were being saved.*

Lots of “ands” in there. Would you say in all those instances, that the word “AND” implies that what comes before “and” had to happen FIRST, so that what comes after “and” could then take place? If not, how is it that you are positive it works that way in v38?

God Bless you.

 

[benedicta00]

AND I CANT NOT STRESS ENOUGH, we are not saved by Faith! No amount of Faith saves you, WE are saved by GRACE through Faith!

You can have all the faith you want and when you get to heaven Christ will answer, “I never knew you!”

You Must have Grace, you must have faith, and you must have works! If you work with out Grace and faith you are He.ll Bound. If you just have faith then you He.ll Bound too, because Faith without works is .

The Grace and of Christ is the Only thing that Saves, and you MUST Be Baptized, because Jesus commanded it. IF you don’t feel you have to be Baptized you are blatant Disobedience to God’s word. IT is also the New Sign of the Covenant… I doubt anyone knows what the Oath even means and what the Old Covenant has to do with the New and what that Old Oath means and how it Impacts the new.

Children are Baptized by the Faith and Grace of the Parents, that they are to raise them in the way they should go.

Yep. It is grace that saved us from being born into a world that is at odds with God. It is through the faith that is imparted to us through the sacrament that we are being saved day by day and it will be through the faith imparted on us we will be saved in the end if we take up the cross and persevere in following Christ.

 

[ralphy]

no, no, no. IT does not mean “Then Be” it means “and Be” there is a big difference when you say Repent First —THEN Baptism. I know it sounds like arguing Symantics but it is a big difference.

Repent then Baptize, Suggest a sequence of events, but the bible clearly States that Baptism, Salvation, and Repentance, are all the same thing. with Clear indications in acts and 1 Peter stating that Baptism saves. Because Blo.od was paid with Jesus, so Blo.od is no longer needed from us, but baptism. Ultimately the Blo.od of Jesus saves. But what you seem to miss, is that Jesus/God works with oaths and Covenants.

The first Covenant, was horrid when you think it about it here is why, God made a covenant with Abraham, if you read Genesis the whole action of cutting the animals in half and walking in between the halves says, “may what was done to these animals happen to me, if i break this Covenant” The sign that you were under the covenant was Circumcision. When you were under the Old law you followed it and the understanding, Even if the meaning of the Oath was lost through time because of the Pharisees, was that you were to be cut in half.

The New Covenant was made, because we as men can not obey the law, it is impossible, for any one mortal man to obey the whole law. The Covenant was made with Jesus and us, when we trust him and follow him we make an oath, the Oath is this, “May I have done to me what was done to Jesus, If i walk away from him” Truly that is what it means. The Sign of the new Covenant is Baptism, there is also a second sign. That is Communion. But Communion is the higher sign. JUST like Sacrifice that God set up to atone for sin before Jesus, was the higher sign, over Circumcision, Communion is the higher sign over Baptism. But you must have both Signs in order to have the Oath. you can not have one or the Other.

A Man in the Old Law was reminded of the law ever time, well to be frank and Honest, Every time he saw his Pen.is. Now we are reminded of our Oath, by communion. we sign our Oath with Baptism, saying “May we endure what Jesus did, if we fail” Then we renew that Oath with Communion.

A junior member, very Roman catholic, very religious, but very misguided and very anti-scriptural. Ralph

 

[jmcrae]

A junior member, very Roman catholic, very religious, but very misguided and very anti-scriptural. Ralph

As far as I can tell, he has made a very reasoned and very orthodox argument.

Do you have any kind of a specific counter-argument, or are you simply expecting us all to believe, without any proof, that his statements are “misguided and anti-scriptural”?

 

[paul_c]

A junior member, very Roman catholic, very religious, but very misguided and very anti-scriptural. Ralph

Try not to be so condenscending. A junior member is someone who has been posting less than 6 months. It says nothing about their credentials or capability. On what basis would you say he is either misguided or anti-scriptural? He is quoting full scriptural passages. You, on the other hand, are quoting from proof tracts, without demonstrating any knowledge of the actual context in which those passages. I’ll be far more convinced of your scriptural knowledge if you could quote a full passage to demonstrate your point, rather than 1 or two verses. Furthermore, he is quoting a position consistent with the teaching of the Catholic Church. What is the authority behind your positions?

 

[Dchsknight]

A junior member, very Roman catholic, very religious, but very misguided and very anti-scriptural. Ralph

you know what is very funny about this Remark. I have only been Catholic for a Day… That response is from my Baptist insruction, I just now after a long study, have finally understood Scripture the God said and not the way that ,Pardon my Language, Pompus As.shol.es say it has to be when they themselves do not know anything about were our Faith comes from and just like monkies like to Poop in their hands and fling it around, ralphy flings his protestant “poop” when he comes against someone who might know just a little bit about God’s word. Because I had to learn in order to make a choice to Follow God the way Jesus Himself set up and set on Course. and that Course has never been derailed in 2000 years.

 

[CentralFLJames]

My Roman catholic bible says “REPENT AND BE BAPTISED”, it looks like pretty clear english to me. Repent first----then baptism. Why don’t you give up and stop trying to twist this statement. Ralph

Ralphy, when you were growing up and your mother told you to comb your hair and wash your hands before coming down to dinner do you think it would matter which you did first?

Now suppose when you were a kid your mother told you Saturday morning that if you wash the car and are a well behaved good boy for the entire day that you will get your favorite dessert for dinner and get to stay up late. If you washed the car but didn’t use any soap (because you were too lazy to go back to the garage to get the forgotten car-soap off the shelf) but you felt bad about it and prayed that mom would not notice where you a good boy? Do you get your just desserts?

James

 

[fbl9]

you know what is very funny about this Remark. I have only been Catholic for a Day… That response is from my Baptist insruction, I just now after a long study, have finally understood Scripture the God said and not the way that ,Pardon my Language, Pompus As.shol.es say it has to be when they themselves do not know anything about were our Faith comes from and just like monkies like to Poop in their hands and fling it around, ralphy flings his protestant “poop” when he comes against someone who might know just a little bit about God’s word. Because I had to learn in order to make a choice to Follow God the way Jesus Himself set up and set on Course. and that Course has never been derailed in 2000 years.

Hi Dchsknight,maybe a little break from ralphy is in order for you…this sounds like something i would have said a few yrs ago when the fire was raging,now the fire is hot coals i can now forgive and forget such a belittling remark made by the likes of ralphy,and not respond to it.i can fully appreciate where it is you are coming from in this post.from the little i have read on this thread by you i can conclude you are solid in the faith.:thumbsup:God bless and take care eh.

 

[Dchsknight]

Hi Dchsknight,maybe a little break from ralphy is in order for you…this sounds like something i would have said a few yrs ago when the fire was raging,now the fire is hot coals i can now forgive and forget such a belittling remark made by the likes of ralphy,and not respond to it.i can fully appreciate where it is you are coming from in this post.from the little i have read on this thread by you i can conclude you are solid in the faith.:thumbsup:God bless and take care eh.

i hope to God the fire never dies…