Ramadan, in a land where the sun never sets

[MartinJordan]

MJ, In the same spirit as the OP, I was describing an unusual situation, regarding Muslim prayers, where they had to adapt. I apologize if it wasn’t specifically about Ramadan. You seem to be a real stickler on that point. I don’t know if the OP minds, though.

Fair enough. Thank you for your clarification.

Pls don’t apologize, perhaps I am a stickler.

It does seems however that those Muslims are doing their best to follow what they have been taught despite the tough situation.

On the subject of praying at a certain time and direction, it can be juxtaposed to the Christian way of praying. That means, we are told to “pray at all times”. Thus it can be any where, anytime time one thinks of God. A rather more personal than public show of prayer (unless you are gathered in a community to pray together as one Family which is also a great way to show unity in Christ with one another).

MJ

 

[drac16]

Fair enough. Thank you for your clarification.

Pls don’t apologize, perhaps I am a stickler.

It does seems however that those Muslims are doing their best to follow what they have been taught despite the tough situation.

On the subject of praying at a certain time and direction, it can be juxtaposed to the Christian way of praying. That means, we are told to “pray at all times”. Thus it can be any where, anytime time one thinks of God. A rather more personal than public show of prayer (unless you are gathered in a community to pray together as one Family which is also a great way to show unity in Christ with one another).

MJ

Hello, MJ.

There’s more than one kind of prayer that muslims do, though. The one you’re thinking of is salah (it’s often done in congregation, we bown in unison, etc. etc.). There is also dua, which is, in essence, calling on God at any time for any thing (i.e. “God! please guide me to the proper woman to marry!”). It’s not as if when I want to ask God for something, I have to wait until a certain time to ask Him. Duas can be done as often as you like and the time it happens to be at that moment is irrelevant.

And, of course, there are countless duas in the Qur’an; it’s considered meritorious to memorize duas, but the muslim is not required to. You can find some here: duas.org/25duanew.htm

Sometimes the best duas are the shortest ones, like when prophet Jonah [peace be upon him] cried out to God in the belly of a fish. He wasn’t long and drawn out with what he said-- he just said “Lord! help me!”.

 

[tonyfish58]

We’re taking about Islam Ramadan practices.

MJ

To which I can Appreciate and admire

God Bless and Regards Tony

 

[MartinJordan]

Hello, MJ.

There’s more than one kind of prayer that muslims do, though. The one you’re thinking of is salah (it’s often done in congregation, we bown in unison, etc. etc.). There is also dua, which is, in essence, calling on God at any time for any thing (i.e. “God! please guide me to the proper woman to marry!”). It’s not as if when I want to ask God for something, I have to wait until a certain time to ask Him. Duas can be done as often as you like and the time it happens to be at that moment is irrelevant.

And, of course, there are countless duas in the Qur’an; it’s considered meritorious to memorize duas, but the muslim is not required to. You can find some here: duas.org/25duanew.htm

Sometimes the best duas are the shortest ones, like when prophet Jonah [peace be upon him] cried out to God in the belly of a fish. He wasn’t long and drawn out with what he said-- he just said “Lord! help me!”.

Thanks Drac, Noted.

Let me also add that the Christian (Catholic in particular of 2000 years) prayer also involves Worship and offerings to God when we pray together at the Blessed Eucharist and Mass. Our worship and prayer is to the One God who is all Loving, Compassionate, slow to anger and abounding in Mercy (just like Moses praised).

Wish you a blessed Ramadan. Praying for you.

God bless,
MJ

 

[MartinJordan]

To which I can Appreciate and admire

God Bless and Regards Tony

It’s good to respect older Faiths. Glad you are united with Islam in your own way. That said, fasting and prayer has been practiced by Christianity 2000 years so we bless and Thank God Almighty for His Grace and Mercy to his creation.

MJ

 

[TheAdvocate]

It’s not only about food when it comes to the definition about Fasting in Catholic teaching. Plus Good Friday fasting is ** encouraged** . It’s not a doctrine.

Faith in action. Not fear in action.

MJ

Fasting on Good Friday is obligatory.

Can. 1251 Abstinence from meat, or from some other food as determined by the Episcopal Conference, is to be observed on all Fridays, unless a solemnity should fall on a Friday. Abstinence and fasting are to be observed on Ash Wednesday and Good Friday.

Can. 1252 The law of abstinence binds those who have completed their fourteenth year. The law of fasting binds those who have attained their majority, until the beginning of their sixtieth year. Pastors of souls and parents are to ensure that even those who by reason of their age are not bound by the law of fasting and abstinence, are taught the true meaning of penance.

Those who can, therefore, are obligated, and as the Church teachers, bound.

 

[MartinJordan]

Fasting on Good Friday is obligatory.

Can. 1251 Abstinence from meat, or from some other food as determined by the Episcopal Conference, is to be observed on all Fridays, unless a solemnity should fall on a Friday. Abstinence and fasting are to be observed on Ash Wednesday and Good Friday.

Can. 1252 The law of abstinence binds those who have completed their fourteenth year. The law of fasting binds those who have attained their majority, until the beginning of their sixtieth year. Pastors of souls and parents are to ensure that even those who by reason of their age are not bound by the law of fasting and abstinence, are taught the true meaning of penance.

Those who can, therefore, are obligated, and as the Church teachers, bound.

And exactly what time is this obligation? 7am-9 am? 3pm-5pm?

MJ

 

[TheAdvocate]

And exactly what time is this obligation? 7am-9 am? 3pm-5pm?

MJ

Midnight to midnight on Good Friday:

Can. 202 §1. In law, a day is understood as a period consisting of 24 continuous hours and begins at midnight unless other provision is expressly made; a week is a period of 7 days; a month is a period of 30 days, and a year is a period of 365 days unless a month and a year are said to be taken as they are in the calendar.

 

[MartinJordan]

Midnight to midnight on Good Friday:

Can. 202 §1. In law, a day is understood as a period consisting of 24 continuous hours and begins at midnight unless other provision is expressly made; a week is a period of 7 days; a month is a period of 30 days, and a year is a period of 365 days unless a month and a year are said to be taken as they are in the calendar.

How is this directly connected to fasting like Ramadan set time such as 6.37am - 6.42pm? Canon 200 is about reckoning of time no sign of it being about fasting and it’s comparison (if it is even anything remotely Theologic intentionally) to Islam fast which isn’t 24 hours regardless.

MJ

 

[famdigy]

I think Ramadan must be a challenge under normal circumstances. But above the Arctic Circle, it would be a bit more difficult!

In circumstances where the fasting day is longer than 18 hours Shia Muslims could chose to fast according to another country’s timetable. It could be any country of their choosing.

They would calculate the number of fasting hours in the country they chose to emulate and break the fast after that time expires. The clock starts after sunrise in their local area.

This is according to Ayatullah Shirazi. In the event a Shia Muslim follows a different Marja’, i.e. Sistani as an example they would have to look to their own Marja’ first and see what the ruling is. If there is no ruling given then they could opt to follow Shirazi in this situation.

 

[TruthBearer]

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