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Montalban
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Moslems who can’t don’t have to, so sick people, for example, would be excluded. So would pregnant women.
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dolphinlove
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LilyM
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I fail to see how it’s any of your business what I do or why. I’m an adult and well educated - entirely able to distinguish for myself between Catholicism and Islam without your help thanks.
Just to keep you stickybeaks quiet - what I want is to fast (abstain from food between sunrise and sunset as Muslims do, for the length of time they do). If I do it during their holy month - so’s they’re more likely to notice, for one thing - I can offer it for their conversion. Without praying as Muslims do - praying as a Catholic.
That’s doing it both DURING Ramadan and BECAUSE it’s Ramadan. Yet it’s also entirely in keeping with being Catholic
Rather like the date of Christmas being deliberately set on 25th December to coincide with the old pagan festival of the Sun God - that was both ON the pagan holiday and BECAUSE it was a pagan holiday, yet entirely Christian.
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angelusm
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Islam is one of many christian heresies and I see absolutely no reason to wish happy heretic holiday. Sorry guys.
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LilyM
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They’re still human beings, made in God’s image, and they should be treated with the utmost dignity and respect, holidays and all, for that reason alone.
Remember we’ll be judged on what we do or fail to do to the LEAST of people, meaning those we find the most objectionable. It’s easy, as Christ pointed out, to love those who love you.
And it’s no more than you would expect from them. Would you not be upset if someone failed to wish you Merry Christmas because they believe YOU to be a heretic?
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Montalban
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I’m concerend about the welfare of others, and I would hope they’d be concerned about me.
I’m sure you know everything there is to know about everything
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But note, when you publicise your doings on a public forum, it’s not a matter of us being ‘stickybeaks’.
I always thought it’s because tradition says that’s the actual date.
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Montalban
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One always likes to check - from the horse’s mouth so to speakI think you will find she is fasting as a catholic, not for ramadam.
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hamba2han
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Thank you everyone for the kind wishes for Ramadhan.
The time of fasting is not really from sunrise to sunset but more accurately from dawn to the beginning of dusk i.e. immediately after the sun has set.
The time at dawn is what is meant when the “white thread” (streak of sunlight) is distinguishable from the “black thread” (darkness of night).
This question of when to begin fasting was indeed asked of the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) and Muslims will not know the answer to this unless they also refer to the Sunnah in addition to the Qur’an.
Anyhow in Islam, fasting means to abstain from food, drink and any form of sexual activity from dawn until sunset with the sincere intention of doing so for the sake of Allah and for those who wish to try their hand at the Muslim fast and wish to know the times to begin and end your fast, you can refer to this website.
Just type in the name of your city and then if you wish to generate the timetable for the whole month, select the Islamic month of Ramadhan for the year 1428.
The time to start one’s fast would be at ‘Fajr’ and the time to break the fast is at ‘Maghrib’.
The time at sunrise is ‘Shurooq’ and it is NOT the time to begin fasting because one’s fast would already be broken if he or she consumes any food or drink after ‘Fajr’ time.
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thedavidwilson
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What we should do for the “least of these people” should be point out their error and gently tell them what the Truth is. Not help them continue in their evil ways. Wishing them a happy Ramadhan is like wishing a drug addict to have a good high. We should discourage them from using the drugs.
Your statement is another example of cultural marxism and moral relativism.
To all the muslims on these boards I wish that find the Truth about our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and NOT to continue in your hertical faith.
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thedavidwilson
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Be sure to light some incense at the hidu temple or sacrafice some children to the aztec gods becasue by your definition that is entirely in keeping with being Catholic too.That’s doing it both DURING Ramadan and BECAUSE it’s Ramadan. Yet it’s also entirely in keeping with being Catholic
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LilyM
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I’m sorry - how on earth is fasting alongside Muslims and praying to the One True God for their conversion in any way wrong or condoning their errors?Be sure to light some incense at the hidu temple or sacrafice some children to the aztec gods becasue by your definition that is entirely in keeping with being Catholic too.
I’m sure Jesus would also fast and pray for them too if He were among them, in addition to educating them of course! Which I also try to do on these boards.
Even the Pope prayed in a mosque, alongside its Imam no less, which is much more than I plan to do, when he visited Turkey. Doubtless His Holiness prayed to Christ for the conversion of Muslims, as I plan to do.
Are you saying my motives are less honourable than his? Or that they are something other than I’ve stated? Either way you’re calling me stupid or a liar, and I don’t appreciate it.
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Publisher
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I would think this would be “true” only if one was to hold the Hindu gods and Aztec gods were the God of Abraham…it is a common belief among Judaism, Christianity, and Islam each of our faiths hold Abraham as a common spiritual ancestor.Be sure to light some incense at the hidu temple or sacrafice some children to the aztec gods becasue by your definition that is entirely in keeping with being Catholic too.
To seek to better understand the Muslim in sharing their fast, which from what I understand part of what Ramadan seeks to impart is to be able to identify with the poor and hungry in this fast…something many of us who are quite overweight don’t seem to do too often.
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Peregrino
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If the Pope can kiss the Quran and not be “confirming” muslims in their “evil ways” or what ever such nonsense some here are spouting, then LilyM can fast during Ramadan for whatever reasons she wishes.
Gimme a break.
Gimme a break.
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Montalban
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It was a shame when the Pope made that mistake.If the Pope can kiss the Quran and not be “confirming” muslims in their “evil ways” or what ever such nonsense some here are spouting, then LilyM can fast during Ramadan for whatever reasons she wishes.
Gimme a break.
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Peregrino
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I don’t believe the Pope made a mistake here of any kind.
Perhaps we should learn from and emulate his example which teaches us to respect and recognize the commonalities shared between the Abrahamic faiths.
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Montalban
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Good for you. Would you think the same if he kissed the Communist Manifesto, or Mein Kampf?
Islam’s got nothing to teach Christianity which itself encompasses all that is true.
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Peregrino
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You are comparing the Quran to Mein Kampf? How would you feel if someone did the same with the bible?
Clearly you need to learn the lesson of respect from the Pope’s example.
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Isa_Almisry
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And will you fast for Great Lent?
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dolphinlove
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lol
I doubt if Lily will mention if she is going to fast ever again on these forums!
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Ne_OrangeKnight
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So Lily’s fasting, big deal. From what I’ve read, she’s not really “celebrating” Ramadan; her fasting for the conversion of Muslims just so happens to fall during their month of fasting. And what better way to really get in touch with these people than to join them in their sufferings?Be sure to light some incense at the hidu temple or sacrafice some children to the aztec gods becasue by your definition that is entirely in keeping with being Catholic too.
This is perhaps slightly off-topic, but still relevant: if you did find yourself in a Hindu temple, would it be wrong to light incense in honor of Jesus, or to pray to him?
Sam, the Neon Orange Knight
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