Random Hypothetical Question (or, Correct name of the Tridentine Mass)

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Every Eastern Rite Mass is the ‘Divine Litrugy of Saint …’
St. John Chrysostom, St. Basil, Addai and Mari, St. James, St. Mark, etc. So, if we were to ascribe a Saint to the Tridentine Mass, who would it be? My opinions
  1. The Divine Liturgy of St. Pius V
  2. The Divine Liturgy of Sts. Peter and Paul
Which brings to mind, what is the official name of the Roman Rite? Tridentine Mass implies it is not that old. I guess it is ‘The Extraordinary Form of the Roman Rite’. I do like the title Divine Liturgy.
Who would you name the Ancient Latin Mass after? Maybe people would be more interested in it if they knew it was “Divine”.
Pax et bonum.
 
While in the *Motu Proprio Summorum Pontificum *his holiness does refer to an extraordinary form, he only does so in the same breath as a reference to the Missal of Bl John XXIII and/or Missal of 1962.

tee
Who is of the opinion that the epithet people seem to have latched onto, Extraordinary Form/EF is stoopid. :twocents:
 
Ite_ad_Ioseph said:
Which brings to mind, what is the official name of the Roman Rite? Tridentine Mass implies it is not that old. I guess it is ‘The Extraordinary Form of the Roman Rite’.
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The Institute of Christ the King Sovereign Priest from whence our priest comes refers to it as:
“classical Roman Liturgy in its traditional form according to the liturgical books promulgated in 1962 by Blessed Pope John XXIII.”
 
nannygirl said:
The Institute of Christ the King Sovereign Priest from whence our priest comes refers to it as:
“classical Roman Liturgy in its traditional form according to the liturgical books promulgated in 1962 by Blessed Pope John XXIII.”
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Hmm…a little too wordy. 😛

How about the Mass of Blessed Pope John XXIII (EF)
versus…the Mass of Pope Paul VI (OF)
 
I think that the “Mass according to the 1962 missal” or the “missal of Pope John XXIII” is as accurate as anything else.

Of course, when you say the Tridentine Mass those “in the know” will understand.

Just my opinion…🙂
 
Timothysis said:
I think that the “Mass according to the 1962 missal” or the “missal of Pope John XXIII” is as accurate as anything else.

Of course, when you say the Tridentine Mass those “in the know” will understand.

Just my opinion…🙂
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While Pope John XXIII promulgated it, he did not write every single word of it, I think he merely added the great St. Joseph’s name to the canon. Even the Divine Liturgies that are different from their original forms still bear the names of their original writers.
So, is it safe to say St. Peter and St. Paul celebrated the early form of the Tridentine Mass, and that they knew some Latin , then? I think it would then be safe to call it the Liturgy of Sts. Peter and Paul. Or at the least, Liturgy of St. Pius V. Just an opinion.
 
Ite_ad_Ioseph said:
While Pope John XXIII promulgated it, he did not write every single word of it, I think he merely added the great St. Joseph’s name to the canon. Even the Divine Liturgies that are different from their original forms still bear the names of their original writers.
So, is it safe to say St. Peter and St. Paul celebrated the early form of the Tridentine Mass, and that they knew some Latin , then? I think it would then be safe to call it the Liturgy of Sts. Peter and Paul. Or at the least, Liturgy of St. Pius V. Just an opinion.
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The missal of Pope John XXIII is the most recent version of the missal, so he gets to have the “title” to it, I suppose.

One could also call it the missal of Pope Pius V without confusion, too (at least I think so).

However, I think it is quite a streeeetch to try and put St. Peter and Paul’s name to the liturgy. Most liturgical historians (correct me if I’m wrong) say that the Roman Rite didn’t develop into its “current” form until Gregory the Great in the 600’s. By the council of Trent, then, it was roughly 900 years old, not 1500.
 
Thanks Tim.
On another random note, I am going on a vacation to Hilton Head, South Carolina. Does anyone know if there is a Tridentine Mass around there? It will be the first one I actually attend if so.
Pax
 
For what it’s worth, the Antiochian Orthodox refers to its form of the Roman Rite as the Divine LIiturgy of St. Gregory of Rome.
 
The Mass of Gregory the Great seems appropriate, as in his reign the modern TLM was about finished. The Canon of the Mass hasn’t changed one word since then at any rate
 
JuanCarlos said:
The Mass of Gregory the Great seems appropriate, as in his reign the modern TLM was about finished. The Canon of the Mass hasn’t changed one word since then at any rate
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Actually, Saint Joseph’s name was added to the canon in 1962. 😦
 
tee_eff_em said:
While in the *Motu Proprio Summorum Pontificum *his holiness does refer to an extraordinary form, he only does so in the same breath as a reference to the Missal of Bl John XXIII and/or Missal of 1962.

tee
Who is of the opinion that the epithet people seem to have latched onto, Extraordinary Form/EF is stoopid. :twocents:
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Since Pope Benedict changed the Good Friday prayer for the conversion of the Jews in 2008, wouldn’t it be the Missal of Pope Benedict XVI or the Missal of 2008?
 
First of all, thanks for all comments. I like the sound of ‘Divine Liturgy of Saint Gregory the Great’. It would make sense, as JuanCarlos said.

But, Saint_Gemma, what is wrong with Saint Joseph’s name in the canon? He was Foster-father of Our Lord and the last of the patriarchs. Saint Teresa of Avila even says to go to Joseph, paralleling a line in the Old Testament, hence my username.

Sorry, but he is my Patron Saint and I get defensive if he is mocked.
Ite ad Joseph: et quidquid ipse vobis dixerit, facite. Gen. 41:55
Pax
 
Well then one word!

But that was why it was so controversial- John XXIII was the first pope to change the canon since Gregory.

Still though, considering the great popularity of St. Joseph in the Universal Church it makes sense to add him to the canon
 
I found this on the fisheaters website:
  1. Code: 
     attend the traditional Latin Mass that sustained millions of Roman Catholics for centuries and centuries. The traditional Mass is also referred to as: the the Mass of Pope St. Peter, the Mass of Pope St. Gregory the Great; the Mass of Pope St. Pius V; the "Tridentine" Mass, the Pian Rite, etc.
Apparently it has been referred to as many things before. In my opinion it makes sense to call it after Gregory the Great, as the Mass became officialized around that time. St. Peter wouldn’t write a Mass with his own name in it and St. Pius certainly didn’t write the whole mass himself. It seems fine to me to declare Gregory the winner.

And on the matter of the addition to the canon, the words are:
sed et beáti Joseph ejúsdem Vírginis Sponsi,
or in English,
also of blessed Joseph, her Spouse;
It is not that many words. If there was another saint missing of Great importance and was always in the history of the Church, i maybe would support that too.
Pax
 
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